[Joellette]

Discuss your talents and tell us how long you have been this particular spec:
I have the typical 9/0/32 shadow spec. I used to be main spec shadow but since Cata, i've been mostly a main healer as our guild needed me to heal. I enjoyed healing and I don't mind it if needed. I did however enjoy shadow in the limited time I got to play it in Wrath. I'm always browsing spriest.com and elitistjerks checking out the latest theorycrafting hub-bub.

Ventrilo and do you have a mic:
Yes

Do you have an authenticator?
Since getting hacked a few years ago...YES

Typical Weekly Playtime:
Usually about 1/2 hour before raid til half hour after. As well as one afternoon on the weekend usually for farming etc.

Time Zone:
PST

Previous Guilds:
Muradin server, Calamitous Intent, GM Winkie, good in-game friends. Oblivion, was a founding member. Reckless Abandon, again a founding member lol. Currently with Cynical, Catstring is the GM. I'm sorry to be looking elsewhere but since 4.3, i've grown increasingly exasperated with failures/attendance on raid nights.

Previous Raiding Experience
H-shannox and currently 5/8 reg DS

Why are you applying to us:
I saw the post on the recruiting forums and the raid time is perfect for me, pretty well the same as my current schedule. Read through your forum and chatted a little with a helpful guildmember of yours.

Link us your Armory:
http://us.battle.net...oellette/simple

Screenshot of your UI, preferably in a raid environment:
http://i621.photobuc...1012_214719.jpg

World of Logs Report:
http://www.worldoflo...sum/damageDone/

I haven't gotten to do much dps lately like I said up above. I hope to run a RF as dps and get a report for my dps.
Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
No, sorry, not atm

Tell us a bit about yourself:
I'm a 35 y/o guy from BC, been playing wow since TBC. I enjoy most aspect's of the game except haven't gotten into too much pvp... I'm respectful of my fellow gamers and try and make the most out of this game I pay 15 bucks a month for lol. I'd like to add that you won't be disappointed with my performance or my level of commitment to my current raid team. I like to screw around like everyone else, but when it comes time to get the job done, i'll be there.

[Miller]

Hello and thanks for the app. Since my knowledge of spriest is limited, I will not try to disect you too much (I'm sure Sobie and Hesher will), but I did notice one thing. Would it not be better to have a 20int/20spirit gem in your head piece to gain that socket bonus as 30 spirit is a good bit and you seem to be under hit cap. If I am mistaken, please explain to me why.

Also it seems we would be using you more as a dps with our roster set up at the moment, a WOL with you Dpsing would help us gauge you better. Otherwise good luck with the app

[Hesher]

The one fight I found with you doing DPS on the WoL link you posted your DoT uptimes for the fight (Ultraxion) were somewhat low. Granted they were 93% and lower, you should be able to have close to 100% uptime on that fight considering there's no movement for the fight. Moving on to your actual gear/spec one of the things I notice that is a little wonky is your spec. 10/0/31 is the general raiding spec, and I'm curious why you're not getting Inner Sanctum and picking up a point into Psychic Horror. I can't think of any fights were that can be used effectively, while I know quite a few fights were the spell damage reduction from Inner Sanctum stops a lot of damage. For instance when I compared your Ultraxion damage taken to my damage taken, I took almost 400k less damage then you from Twilight Instability. That's a decent chunk of damage you could be mitigating especially when the damage starts to spike very high near the end of the fight. Moving onto your gear, seeing how shadow has taken a back seat for you to offspec I can't judge to much on this. One of the things I would like to point out is you're missing a large chunk of haste and decided to reforge Spirit into Mastery while reforging out of Haste on your neck piece. I'm guessing the chest is your healer piece you use in your shadow set, but reforging out of haste as a shadow priest when you're not getting Dark Intent is a large DPS loss. Especially considering you're missing one of the major haste points of 2589 for your second VT tick. Once I see more DPS logs I'll be able to further evaluate your performance.


On a side not of something I wanted to mention but got side tracked on, you're using Glyph of Dispell Magic in your Shadow spec which is quite useless your healers are making you dispell yourself in fights.

[diablorojo]

Joellette, on 11 January 2012 - 01:08 AM, said:

i've grown increasingly exasperated with failures/attendance on raid nights.

Just seems funny to me since attendance on raid nights has been a major issue here in Cata.... gonna just stop here and pretend like i don't care

[Guinthel]

Miller, on 11 January 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Hello and thanks for the app. Since my knowledge of spriest is limited, I will not try to disect you too much (I'm sure Sobie and Hesher will), but I did notice one thing. Would it not be better to have a 20int/20spirit gem in your head piece to gain that socket bonus as 30 spirit is a good bit and you seem to be under hit cap. If I am mistaken, please explain to me why.

Also it seems we would be using you more as a dps with our roster set up at the moment, a WOL with you Dpsing would help us gauge you better. Otherwise good luck with the app

No int is better than spirit, almost irregardless of spirit and or how close you are to hit cap.

Things i'd like to add:

boot gem is wrong, should be 40 int.
belt gem is wrong, should be 40 int (the spi/int one is bad)
same for shoulders, should be 40 int

note the stat weights would say never 20haste>10int this patch, but basic use google (EJ is still relevent + howtopriest forums are a good place to read up) tells me otherwise unless of course you are aiming for haste plateaus and there are better ways to hit your haste plateaus than gems).

im too lazy to go through world of logs, certainly hesher can come up with more than dot uptimes to go on.

some easy upgrades you could pick up (boots/bracer via barking in tradechat, you can always haggle them down on the valor points)

also: major glyphs are a no no in pve hesher, no one cares which ones you have.

[Miller]

Thank you Gunther for answer the question based towards the new app that might have allowed him to demonstrate some of his class knowledge.

[Guinthel]

Miller, on 11 January 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

Thank you Gunther for answer the question based towards the new app that might have allowed him to demonstrate some of his class knowledge.

no problem

[Deceax]

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Read through your forum and chatted a little with a helpful guildmember of yours.

Approved. He referred to me as a helpful guild member! Get some DPS logs from either a guild dragon soul or an LFR if you plan to app as shadow.

[Joellette]

Heya, thx for the look over... Concerning the spec, I like having pyschic horror for the interrupt rather then the 2% reduction in spell damage from inner sanctum. As for the gemming, a few of my piece's are crossed over into my Disc set. I currently am stcking alot of haste in my Disc set as well, because I haven't seem to have any mana issue's with the current content we're doing.
I think raid attendance went for a poop when SWTOR came out.... not sure if I want to go down the path to the darkside lol.

WOL might be tough for me to get as dps as like I said i've been mostly healing for a while now. Would a screenshot in RF be any good maybe mid fight on Ultraxion with recount up? I haven't been an officer before and i'm not familiar with setting up a personal WOL account, if that's even possible? Have a great day....

I forgot to mention that generally for spriest's hit cap is mostly a preference now. How comfortable are you with your hit is a personal preference and not mandatory. I personally look to be near the hit cap as I don't like to miss. If you run a good dot timer and monitor it, you can easily see when to refresh and recast if necessary.

[Deceax]

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Concerning the spec, I like having pyschic horror for the interrupt rather then the 2% reduction in spell damage from inner sanctum.

Give more of an explanation rather than "liking" the talent. 2% reduced spell damage seems a lot more useful in a raid than having an interrupt. Give specific examples that prove otherwise.

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WOL might be tough for me to get as dps as like I said i've been mostly healing for a while now. Would a screenshot in RF be any good maybe mid fight on Ultraxion with recount up? I haven't been an officer before and i'm not familiar with setting up a personal WOL account, if that's even possible? Have a great day....

You can use a site like this to upload a combat log for us to look at http://www.wowmeteronline.com . Simply type /combatlog before you raid and it will create a log file in Logs\WoWCombatLog.txt which you can then upload and it will analyze.

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I forgot to mention that generally for spriest's hit cap is mostly a preference now. How comfortable are you with your hit is a personal preference and not mandatory. I personally look to be near the hit cap as I don't like to miss. If you run a good dot timer and monitor it, you can easily see when to refresh and recast if necessary.

Can anyone confirm this? Maybe I'm missing something but it seems like hit rating would be the most beneficial stat of all until you are capped.

[Hesher]

Joellette, on 11 January 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

I forgot to mention that generally for spriest's hit cap is mostly a preference now. How comfortable are you with your hit is a personal preference and not mandatory. I personally look to be near the hit cap as I don't like to miss. If you run a good dot timer and monitor it, you can easily see when to refresh and recast if necessary.

Hit cap was a personal preference back in T11 when hitting the extra VT tick was important. Now it's pretty much required to be hit capped considering haste isn't as much of an issue at this point in the expansion.

[Guinthel]

Deceax, on 11 January 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

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Concerning the spec, I like having pyschic horror for the interrupt rather then the 2% reduction in spell damage from inner sanctum.

Give more of an explanation rather than "liking" the talent. 2% reduced spell damage seems a lot more useful in a raid than having an interrupt. Give specific examples that prove otherwise.

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WOL might be tough for me to get as dps as like I said i've been mostly healing for a while now. Would a screenshot in RF be any good maybe mid fight on Ultraxion with recount up? I haven't been an officer before and i'm not familiar with setting up a personal WOL account, if that's even possible? Have a great day....

You can use a site like this to upload a combat log for us to look at http://www.wowmeteronline.com . Simply type /combatlog before you raid and it will create a log file in Logs\WoWCombatLog.txt which you can then upload and it will analyze.

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I forgot to mention that generally for spriest's hit cap is mostly a preference now. How comfortable are you with your hit is a personal preference and not mandatory. I personally look to be near the hit cap as I don't like to miss. If you run a good dot timer and monitor it, you can easily see when to refresh and recast if necessary.

Can anyone confirm this? Maybe I'm missing something but it seems like hit rating would be the most beneficial stat of all until you are capped.

Man what's with the bad questions in this app? Did everyone go app happy since we haven't had one in a while? Let's make it clear:

The app's response to the talents question was acceptable, it was matter of preference. Unfortunately this is the wrong answer as speccing into horror is utterly pointless in this tier of raiding.

The correct Spriest spec is:

http://www.wowhead.c...rRZZGbGdMzrd0fo

Let's try our best to not mis lead people into thinking that cookie cutter specs are up for debate. Keep in mind my goal here isn't to shit all over the app either, there's no shame in being wrong. There is shame however in posting retarded responses in applications when you clearly haven't even bothered looking up the answer to the question you just asked.

This applies to miller too... my initial response was not meant to rain on your parade, but it was clear Joellette was not aware of the proper gemming convention, we did not need a response to show his understanding of the topic, and while wrath and sobie have said before we do like to have helpful input for applications, we don't need to go confusing these guys when you're replying with a lack of knowledge to begin with, and filling up the thread with bickering and bullshit. Joellette, even if you were dual gemming for both specs, you need to stick to maximizing your int.

Same goes for you decocks, why are you challenging his response that a spriest's hit cap is mostly a preference now, when you don't know the answer yourself? (He is correct in his summation that aiming for 17% hit exactly was never mandatory. The idea here is that the higher your ilvl or the more damage your spells do, the more important hit cap is. However hit will NEVER be so important that you go out of your way to gem spirit/hit. Hit should come from spirit gear, or from reforging crit--->spirit.

source: http://www.howtoprie....php?f=19&t=408

Still a perfectly good app as far as I can tell... fix a few gemming issues, raid a few more times as shadow to get used to the spec and rotation, wait for feedback from occifers.

How about a nice relevant question for you Joellette?

What do you cast when forced to move, say when burning down the boss (single target)?

edit: i read you are gemming haste for disc. Mastery>haste for disc at all gear levels for this tier of content. I wouldn't worry about your healing spec/gear... if you are apping as a shadowpriest stick to shadow. You won't be asked to offspec raid very often if at all in this guild.

[Sobeyet]

diablorojo, on 11 January 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

Just seems funny to me since attendance on raid nights has been a major issue here in Cata.... gonna just stop here and pretend like i don't care

I'd disagree since people have showed up enough to get 1/8 heroic T13, 6/7 heroic T12, and 2/13 heroic T11 (after a guild reform and 2-month late start mind you). Not sure how it's relevant to the app either way, you think attendance is a major issue... so you're trying to scare away additions to the guild?

Joellette, on 11 January 2012 - 10:54 AM, said:

Would a screenshot in RF be any good maybe mid fight on Ultraxion with recount up?

No, but you can upload the combatlog here and I can post it on the heresiarch WoL. I'm not going to spend much time critiquing the app until a log is in, but as a frame of reference on a ~5 minute Ultraxion fight we expect people to pull around 30k sustained DPS (with considerations for gear, raid comp, fading light RNG, kill time, etc.). If the basic mashing is there we can look more into situational awareness, CD usage, etc.

Guinthel, on 11 January 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Still a perfectly good app as far as I can tell... fix a few gemming issues, raid a few more times as shadow to get used to the spec and rotation, wait for feedback from occifers.

I'm not entirely blown away from the app, nothing that really screams "hey this guy really knows his stuff," but we'll see what the log looks like.

Guinthel, on 11 January 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

I wouldn't worry about your healing spec/gear... if you are apping as a shadowpriest stick to shadow. You won't be asked to offspec raid very often if at all in this guild.

Wrath/Miller/Cory play their offspec all the time, but you're right in the sense that we're not looking for a healer atm. Flexibility never hurts though, stuff changes all the time (remember we had to reject Hec because he couldn't heal?).

[Joellette]

As far as the spec goes, I have no problem changing it out to whatever the prefered raid spec currently is. I'm not sure exactly why I wanted the interrupt, it may have been back when I was doing the legendary staff quest...

As for the haste issue, I wasn't going to get too excited about it until I get better gear as 2589 extra tick point isn't achievable with my gear. There are several ongoing arguments as to the great haste debate. I think the general concensus is that haste will always increase your dps in current gear level's, so i've always strived to maximize my haste and will continue to do so.

The hit issue is another debateable topic for shadow priest's. Some prefer to never ever miss, and that's fine. I'd say hit is alot more important to say an arcane mage where if you miss a blast, it's a huge decrease in dps as you've lost alot of cast time as well as the damage from the spell. For Shadowpriest's, the majority of our damage will still come from dot's which, unless you miss the initial cast, will continue to tick and do damage. I could see in the future though as there's more use of Mindspike, that hit cap will be a definite must have.

The gem's can easily be changed out and i'm working on getting the vp boot's and bracers. I've been dedicating my vp point's to my healing set since 4.3.

As far as a high mobility fight, i'll spam DP, or SWD if the boss/mob is below 25%. Mana isn't really an issue as you're casting SF on cd.

I'm definitley not going to be the highest dps with my current gear and there is for sure going to be a short term of rusty-ness going back to shadow as a main. I can offer however a mature person who research's their class and strive's to get better. I want to be, and enjoy being the best at whatever role i'm currently filling. If you're looking for someone who is going to top your dps charts right off the bat and help lighten the dps load, i'm affraid that won't be me.

I installed the wowmeteor tool and i'm going to run RF tonight in shadow spec. I'll also change my spec to the 10/0/31. Thanks for the replie's, really nice to see an active guild website with member's input

Sorry, I saw the post about mastery>haste for disc, there is a great debate over this as well. I'm not sure if you play a disc priest or not? Mastery used to be the best stat back when we bubble spamm'd, we don't do that now. Mastery affect's your pw-s and your DA only. You get more heal throughput with haste and crit. I know, off topic, but just putting my 2-cent's in....

[Joellette]

My link


Here's a few fights from RF tonight... I just got in with 1/8 done. Good news is I did BH before the RF and got the t13 pants for my 1st T13 shadow piece. Then in RF, I got new bracers from Hag, as well as the RF shoulders, so I now have my 2 piece set I'll also link my armory when i'm done with enchanting/reforging the new gear. I also have 4piece for disc.

[Joellette]

Joellette

Here's my updated armory profile. Intellect to bracer's is tough to come by on my server, I know a guildie has the recipe but he wasn't on tonight. Also, I threw 50 haste on my boots for the time being as the 10 GCE's for lavawalker are a bit pricey atm, i'd prefer to farm them or DE off the AH. I think I performed really well in the RF raid considering my ilvl, and i've upgraded my gear a fair bit just tonight.

[Hesher]

Joellette, on 11 January 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

The hit issue is another debateable topic for shadow priest's. Some prefer to never ever miss, and that's fine. I'd say hit is alot more important to say an arcane mage where if you miss a blast, it's a huge decrease in dps as you've lost alot of cast time as well as the damage from the spell. For Shadowpriest's, the majority of our damage will still come from dot's which, unless you miss the initial cast, will continue to tick and do damage. I could see in the future though as there's more use of Mindspike, that hit cap will be a definite must have.

Not really, and the main reason behind this is Mind Flays. Mind Flay can miss mid cast and you lose the next tick that you would have, which also would lower your uptime of Shadowfiend which is an overall DPS loss. And with the new 4 set, although a tad weird for a lot of people at the moment, missing a mind spike or mind blast during Shadowfiend would be a straight DPS loss. As I said this was a thing back in T11 when people pushed hard for their extra VT tick, since then everyone pretty much tells you that hit capping is a must. Even if you look at all the top spriests from guilds like Blood Legion or Vodka, they are all at 17% give or take ~.05% because missing just isn't an option with the DPS requirements needed in this tier.

Moving onto your logs I noticed a few things that bother me. For instance for Yor'sahj, you only switched once to slimes looking at the damage to targets while the rest of the time you sat on Yor'sahj. Another is your DoT uptimes on Hagara, which you had 61% uptime on VT which is a huge DPS loss. Even with mind spiking with my 4 set, I can still manage a 70% plus uptime which is about 10-15% lower then a stand still fight such as Ultraxion.

Moving onto your gear I noticed you picked up more haste which is a plus, but I'm curious why you opted to get Kavan's Forsaken Treads as your boots over Splinterfoot Sandals which are pretty much the same thing but straight spirit (Which you reforged hit to spirit). Also, do you know your stat priority with your current gear over the stat priority of someone with 4 set T13?

[Joellette]

As I said in my post I could see that the importance of hit will increase with the added use of mindspike with 4 piece t13. I'm sitting very near the hit cap right now and I always have tried to be close to it as like I said I don't like to miss. I'm not here to argue theorycrafting as i'm by no mean's a good one for it lol. I am good however at reading forum's and trying to see all side's before making my own decision.
The Yor fight I swapped to the slime for the first slime phase and it was dead about halfway before it got to the boss. Take in consideration this was RF and thing's generally die quickly. I know that it's priority to kill the slime's. I'll gladly run it again and swap to the slime and give a log for that if you want.
For the Hagara fight, i'm not sure how I could have gotten a better uptime for VT. I use a dot timer and i'm constantly watching it and keeping my dot's up. I know for a couple of phases we dropped the lightning and had to go back to pick it up again. That likely didn't help much. My main priority after a special phase is to get my dot's back on and rolling once again. Can you put dots on her during the special phase's? I was even watching the phase timer to make sure I refreshed before the phase change. Can you cast at her during the special phase's? I didn't think you could.

Priority in stat's will likely bump up the importance of mastery with 4p t13 as you will do alot more damage with your mindspike's/mind blast's. I've read about the whole use of MS/MB during SF. So, likely depending on buffs, haste to 2859> hit to cap> Mastery> Crit.

Thanks for the boot info too, I didn't see the boot's with spirit on them I definitely would have grabbed them. I usually reforge hit to spirit just for the extra little bit of regen.

[Hesher]

Joellette, on 12 January 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

For the Hagara fight, i'm not sure how I could have gotten a better uptime for VT. I use a dot timer and i'm constantly watching it and keeping my dot's up. I know for a couple of phases we dropped the lightning and had to go back to pick it up again. That likely didn't help much. My main priority after a special phase is to get my dot's back on and rolling once again. Can you put dots on her during the special phase's? I was even watching the phase timer to make sure I refreshed before the phase change. Can you cast at her during the special phase's? I didn't think you could.

You can't but you should be dotting up the Lightning add during the lightning phase and during the frost phase you can dot up 2 crystals before you have to start moving. Aside from that you should be having her targeted and ready to dot asap on phase switches.

Joellette, on 12 January 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

Priority in stat's will likely bump up the importance of mastery with 4p t13 as you will do alot more damage with your mindspike's/mind blast's. I've read about the whole use of MS/MB during SF. So, likely depending on buffs, haste to 2859> hit to cap> Mastery> Crit

I meant YOUR stat priority, not someone with their 4 set.

[Joellette]

In RF I just MS/MB the lightning add. Casting dots on it in RF is a waste of time as it's dead in about 8 seconds. Same goes for the crystals in RF. It's apparent that it's not really good to compare RF raid's to normal 10 man raid's.
My stat priority will continue to be haste>hitcap>mastery>crit until I get 4p t13.