[Dewyoxburger]

Discuss your talents and tell us how long you have been this particular spec:

I leveled Feral and have been in the tank spec since late Wrath. I have had these talents since 4.2, maybe just before that I don't actually recall when the buff to tank DPS hit. I had 2 points in feral aggression for the FFF stack, but took those out and put them in King of the Jungle for the damage boost to Engrage. This is, I believe, the current "cookie cutter" for bears. My off spec is boom, all 359+ gear. I haven't played him much in boom since FL came out (all tanking all the time), so I'm a bit out of practice on boom. With boom, it's all feel and rotation. Just need to do it more. I have a fully heard tank of all tanking classes and have felt that, for me anyway, the druid feels the best. Most akin to the Warrior, I like the Druid's rotation and ability to switch to DPS in a second, and pop right back into tanking.

I'm not sure what EJ says about my spec, since Cata I've been a Reesi convert and read most of the theory crafting on theincbear.com as opposed to EJ.

Ventrilo and do you have a mic:

Yes

Do you have an authenticator?

Yes, the phone app.

Typical Weekly Playtime:

I'm flexible in raid times, and can make any raid after 7:30 PM.

Time Zone:

Eastern

Previous Guilds:
Nephilim, current guild, since 4.2 launched. Leaving the guild as the raid team has fallen apart due to a mass exodus
Sigil, GM left the game, this sent the guild into a free fall.
UnseenWrath. Wasn't comfortable with the way the guild was run.

Previous Raiding Experience:
I have only been playing WoW since March of '10. I raided Wrath mostly on my Hunter (first toon), and switched to my tanking Druid Fall of last year. I tanked ICC until Cata came out, 10 man full clear. I raided all of Tier 11 (Druid never got Nef down, but my pally did a few times) and in FL I have killed Shannox, and we have fought Beth and Bal several times, never killing either.

Why are you applying to us:
I have raided with Wrathblood in BoT and BWD, and actually one night in FL I think (Shannox and Beth Wrath?). I enjoyed the few raids I'd done with Heresiarch. Knowing some of the current raiders, it feels like a good fit.


Link us your Armory:
http://us.battle.net...burger/advanced

Screenshot of your UI, preferably in a raid environment:
files.me.com/aburtt/7mrwnu

World of Logs Report:
http://www.worldoflo...cid/details/13/

Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
I've raided with Wrathblood, Kaai, and NoBubble (in unseen ugh)

Tell us a bit about yourself:
I'm a husband and father of 2 girls, 6 and 4. I have a degree in secondary education and have never taught a day in my life except for student teaching. I'm funny with a slant to the sarcastic side. In other free time, I enjoy doing things with the kids, skiing, biking, long walks on the beach pina coladas and getting caught in the rain.
On a side note, lately I've really tried to improve things based on data I get from World of Logs. Comparing my toon to other Bears on the same fights. It feels somewhat like a change in my golf swing at the moment, meaning that the slight changes I've made don't feel comfortable yet and I'm not necessarily doing as well as i was. It's a work in progress and I'm quite possibly reading it all wrong anyway.

[Wrathblood]

Chatted with him a few times. Great attitude, bear and boomkin gear were right on par with what we'd look for in an app, and looked properly gemmed and reforged (though I'm not as up on Bear gearing as I am for block tanks, and big step down from there on boomkin). I remember him doing fine in the raids I've done with him, and his boomkin dps in BH was credible for being pretty out of practice. For bear tanking theorycrafting, EJ's bear section has been pretty inaccurate and even misleading in the past (haven't checked it lately, so it could be fine now) whereas Reesi is pretty much the Queen of Bear theorycrafting.

To be clear, you'd be doing a mix of boomkin and tanking. If things work out, we'd probably have you mostly in as boomkin initially to get you used to how we run things, and to get us comfortable with you as well. After that, we'd work you in more to the tanking mix, but you'd still be doing a good bit of boomkin-ing. Don't get me wrong, you'd be tanking bosses, but with 3 tanks and 3 of the 7 bosses on the tier single tank fights, there will be lots of times where you'd need to dps. Are you ok with that?

[Sobeyet]

What's the name of your hunter?

[Dewyoxburger]

Sobeyet, on 14 September 2011 - 06:40 PM, said:

What's the name of your hunter?

Joder is my hunter.

[Hecatus]

Gems look right for the most part Wrath.

Personally I'm wondering why he didn't do 130 agi to weapon (since its more preferable for non heroic raid content) and 75 stam to chest (granted the chest is more preference based).

[Sobeyet]

Reforging looks fine, I'd probably go with 130 agi to weapon (especially since you're going with an agi-centric build over stam), though I can see windwalk being useful on something like Baleroc. Don't necessarily have to change it now, but I'd consider it for your next weapon upgrade.

Also would glyph frenzied regen (probably dropping rebirth) since bears are a bit lacking in CDs as it is.

Don't see keybindings, clicker?

Shannox -

• Demo roar uptime 82.7%, needs to improve. Looks like Ashteron covered 2% with demo shout toward the end, but considering 90% of the damage you're taking is physical, need to keep it as close to 100% as possible.
• Faerie fire 82.1%, 10.7% got covered with sunder armor toward the end. Pretty good, could be better.
• Popped barkskin 4 times and frenzied regen once in a 7:51 fight, definitely needs to improve. If you're not used to using CDs, I would just get in the habit of popping them as soon as they come up (or DPS for a while, though you usually don't want to stack CDs as a tank) then slowly adapt to each encounter as you get used to fight length, damage spikes, healer CDs/mana, etc.
• Same issue Kaai had (and still has), wasting globals. As a general rule of thumb, seeing melee as your highest source of damage is not a good thing.
  • In a perfect world Mangle should always be your highest source of damage
  • Lacerate and Thrash were okay, could be better.
  • Pulverize a little low (uptime 48.7%)
  • If your rotation was tighter you could definitely squeeze in more Mauls.
  • If you're a clicker, a good set of keybindings will tighten your rotation by at least 10%. If you're not a clicker, then you just need to mash more.
• Ate one immo trap

Baleroc attempt only lasted 1:32 so not long enough to glean anything useful.

I do remember you tanking a few bosses for us in T11 (want to say Halfus and TotfW?) and you seemed to do fine, though I'm a jaded sob who expects random people to do horribly so that might skew things on first impressions.

Since you would be our 3rd tank someone's going to end up DPSing (or sitting, if Kaai has work early in the morning I'm sure she'd appreciate the night off). Can you log in your boomkin gear? A boomkin would be a good fit raid-comp wise (spell haste!), though from what Wrath tells me you need some more practice with the spec.

Dewyoxburger, on 14 September 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

I'm a husband and father of 2 girls, 6 and 4.

West Virginian Mormon?

[Dewyoxburger]

Sobeyet, on 15 September 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

Reforging looks fine, I'd probably go with 130 agi to weapon (especially since you're going with an agi-centric build over stam), though I can see windwalk being useful on something like Baleroc. Don't necessarily have to change it now, but I'd consider it for your next weapon upgrade.

Also would glyph frenzied regen (probably dropping rebirth) since bears are a bit lacking in CDs as it is.

Don't see keybindings, clicker?

Shannox -

• Demo roar uptime 82.7%, needs to improve. Looks like Ashteron covered 2% with demo shout toward the end, but considering 90% of the damage you're taking is physical, need to keep it as close to 100% as possible.
• Faerie fire 82.1%, 10.7% got covered with sunder armor toward the end. Pretty good, could be better.
• Popped barkskin 4 times and frenzied regen once in a 7:51 fight, definitely needs to improve. If you're not used to using CDs, I would just get in the habit of popping them as soon as they come up (or DPS for a while, though you usually don't want to stack CDs as a tank) then slowly adapt to each encounter as you get used to fight length, damage spikes, healer CDs/mana, etc.
• Same issue Kaai had (and still has), wasting globals. As a general rule of thumb, seeing melee as your highest source of damage is not a good thing.
  • In a perfect world Mangle should always be your highest source of damage
  • Lacerate and Thrash were okay, could be better.
  • Pulverize a little low (uptime 48.7%)
  • If your rotation was tighter you could definitely squeeze in more Mauls.
  • If you're a clicker, a good set of keybindings will tighten your rotation by at least 10%. If you're not a clicker, then you just need to mash more.
• Ate one immo trap

Baleroc attempt only lasted 1:32 so not long enough to glean anything useful.

I do remember you tanking a few bosses for us in T11 (want to say Halfus and TotfW?) and you seemed to do fine, though I'm a jaded sob who expects random people to do horribly so that might skew things on first impressions.

Since you would be our 3rd tank someone's going to end up DPSing (or sitting, if Kaai has work early in the morning I'm sure she'd appreciate the night off). Can you log in your boomkin gear? A boomkin would be a good fit raid-comp wise (spell haste!), though from what Wrath tells me you need some more practice with the spec.

Dewyoxburger, on 14 September 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

I'm a husband and father of 2 girls, 6 and 4.

West Virginian Mormon?

HA! West Virginian Mormon. Took me a min

Frenzied Regen Glyph. Unglyphed, it's my only "oh shit I gotta self heal" I have. Typically only used when if I don't self heal quickly, it's a wipe. I think this glyph really depends on your healers, I actually ask them which they would prefer. If I'm using it currently it's because something went terribly wrong with my healers, so having the glyph doesn't do me a lot of good. But I'm not against it, again in my opinion, depends on healer pref.

Weapon Enchant, I hadn't done the numbers on which enchant would give me better mitigation.

I tanked Halfus/Magmaw with you guys a few times and did some other alt runs with you.

Not a clicker anymore. Have a gaming mouse for the vast majority of my abilities, and my defensive CD are on keybindings (those you see mid-left screen)

Regarding my rotation. I've actually been pouring over my rotation on WoL lately. I noticed that my mangle isn't where it should be. I've got Power Auras up to assist. Right now the attempted change in my rotations just hasn't felt right yet, but I'm actively working on it to keep those up. I probably pour over those logs too much and I think I'm missing something on how to best read an analyze them, any tips there would be appreciated, although reading them MORE isn't necessarily a good thing lol. One thing I'm doing esp regard pulv., I looked at the top druid tanks on the same fight and from what I read they have very low pulv, not sure why. I've asked in the forums on the incbear to get some answers, but haven't gotten a response yet. Don't know why you wouldn't want that up time higher.

I'll Put on my boom gear before I log newt time. It's all 359+. Wrathblood is right, I need to practice more on boom. Boom is all about feel of the rotation etc., having only tanked on my druid over the last few months, I've lost that feel. Can get it back though I'm certain.

[Sobeyet]

Dewyoxburger, on 15 September 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Frenzied Regen Glyph. Unglyphed, it's my only "oh shit I gotta self heal" I have. Typically only used when if I don't self heal quickly, it's a wipe. I think this glyph really depends on your healers, I actually ask them which they would prefer. If I'm using it currently it's because something went terribly wrong with my healers, so having the glyph doesn't do me a lot of good. But I'm not against it, again in my opinion, depends on healer pref.

When you popped it on Shannox, it was healing you about 3,395 a second. Even if a boss has an ungodly slow swing time (let's say 5 seconds like Chimaeron), that's about 16,975 health and probably not going to save you on the next hit. Now if your healers aren't comatose they can at least land 2 heals in 5 seconds, so an extra 30% from a single healer should easily surpass the 17k. Even better if there are other healers tossing you a few heals, LoTP, etc. The glyph still retains the 15% bump to hp (and heals you to 15% if you're below), just removes the relatively weak hot.

Dewyoxburger, on 15 September 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Regarding my rotation. I've actually been pouring over my rotation on WoL lately. I noticed that my mangle isn't where it should be. I've got Power Auras up to assist. Right now the attempted change in my rotations just hasn't felt right yet, but I'm actively working on it to keep those up. I probably pour over those logs too much and I think I'm missing something on how to best read an analyze them, any tips there would be appreciated, although reading them MORE isn't necessarily a good thing lol. One thing I'm doing esp regard pulv., I looked at the top druid tanks on the same fight and from what I read they have very low pulv, not sure why. I've asked in the forums on the incbear to get some answers, but haven't gotten a response yet. Don't know why you wouldn't want that up time higher.

Analyzing tanks in WoL can be a little tricky / time consuming, but if you're looking for general ideas it's not too bad. Looking at damage breakdowns can be good for getting a general feel of how you're playing (like I mentioned before having melee swings as your highest source of damage is usually a sign that you're not mashing enough). Also a single boss fight isn't really helpful due to RNG, so ideally you're keeping track of how you're doing over time. And comparing yourself to other guilds is also tough because of raid comp, kill times, skill levels of healers, etc.

For example, since you mentioned Reesi here's the last time she tanked Shannox: http://www.worldoflo.../?s=1360&e=1598. Again, she's doing 25s, it's heroic, drastically shorter kill time, etc. She's also killed H Shannox 11 times and it's not a difficult fight in the grand scheme of things so I doubt she's really going balls out (one of the big dangers of looking at top guilds, you can't always assume they're trying to be perfect on farm content when looking at their logs, human nature to get lazy if you've been facerolling a boss for 3 months).

But you can see that Mangle is her highest source of damage, high number of mauls, lacerate time was actually pretty low (but her Pulverize uptime was higher so she was dropping off Lacerate stacks but not immediately reapplying them; I'd say that she could have substituted a couple of mauls for lacerates but I'm guessing she didn't really care since it's Shannox).

The idea behind higher Pulverize uptime is that you give yourself the 9% crit with 3 stacks of Lacerate, feeding into higher Savage Defense uptime (and a little more DPS/threat never hurts either). So I'm not saying you should be mashing Pulverize constantly, but tightening up your rotation to have more Lacerate stacks in synergy with Pulverize will actually improve your survivability (If you don't already, I'd recommend setting up PowerAuras to show you how many stacks of lacerate are on your target. Ditto for Demo Roar / Faerie Fire uptime). I would think that this was what the recent blue post about changing tanking mechanics in the future to "active mitigation" was talking about. As a bear, your "rotation" actually has some impact on how much damage you take (though still not as much as a DK). Warriors can Heroic Strike all they want but they'll still get punched in the face just as hard.

[Dewyoxburger]

Sobeyet, on 15 September 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

Dewyoxburger, on 15 September 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Frenzied Regen Glyph. Unglyphed, it's my only "oh shit I gotta self heal" I have. Typically only used when if I don't self heal quickly, it's a wipe. I think this glyph really depends on your healers, I actually ask them which they would prefer. If I'm using it currently it's because something went terribly wrong with my healers, so having the glyph doesn't do me a lot of good. But I'm not against it, again in my opinion, depends on healer pref.

When you popped it on Shannox, it was healing you about 3,395 a second. Even if a boss has an ungodly slow swing time (let's say 5 seconds like Chimaeron), that's about 16,975 health and probably not going to save you on the next hit. Now if your healers aren't comatose they can at least land 2 heals in 5 seconds, so an extra 30% from a single healer should easily surpass the 17k. Even better if there are other healers tossing you a few heals, LoTP, etc. The glyph still retains the 15% bump to hp (and heals you to 15% if you're below), just removes the relatively weak hot.

Dewyoxburger, on 15 September 2011 - 11:55 AM, said:

Regarding my rotation. I've actually been pouring over my rotation on WoL lately. I noticed that my mangle isn't where it should be. I've got Power Auras up to assist. Right now the attempted change in my rotations just hasn't felt right yet, but I'm actively working on it to keep those up. I probably pour over those logs too much and I think I'm missing something on how to best read an analyze them, any tips there would be appreciated, although reading them MORE isn't necessarily a good thing lol. One thing I'm doing esp regard pulv., I looked at the top druid tanks on the same fight and from what I read they have very low pulv, not sure why. I've asked in the forums on the incbear to get some answers, but haven't gotten a response yet. Don't know why you wouldn't want that up time higher.

Analyzing tanks in WoL can be a little tricky / time consuming, but if you're looking for general ideas it's not too bad. Looking at damage breakdowns can be good for getting a general feel of how you're playing (like I mentioned before having melee swings as your highest source of damage is usually a sign that you're not mashing enough). Also a single boss fight isn't really helpful due to RNG, so ideally you're keeping track of how you're doing over time. And comparing yourself to other guilds is also tough because of raid comp, kill times, skill levels of healers, etc.

For example, since you mentioned Reesi here's the last time she tanked Shannox: http://www.worldoflo.../?s=1360&e=1598. Again, she's doing 25s, it's heroic, drastically shorter kill time, etc. She's also killed H Shannox 11 times and it's not a difficult fight in the grand scheme of things so I doubt she's really going balls out (one of the big dangers of looking at top guilds, you can't always assume they're trying to be perfect on farm content when looking at their logs, human nature to get lazy if you've been facerolling a boss for 3 months).


But you can see that Mangle is her highest source of damage, high number of mauls, lacerate time was actually pretty low (but her Pulverize uptime was higher so she was dropping off Lacerate stacks but not immediately reapplying them; I'd say that she could have substituted a couple of mauls for lacerates but I'm guessing she didn't really care since it's Shannox).

The idea behind higher Pulverize uptime is that you give yourself the 9% crit with 3 stacks of Lacerate, feeding into higher Savage Defense uptime (and a little more DPS/threat never hurts either). So I'm not saying you should be mashing Pulverize constantly, but tightening up your rotation to have more Lacerate stacks in synergy with Pulverize will actually improve your survivability (If you don't already, I'd recommend setting up PowerAuras to show you how many stacks of lacerate are on your target. Ditto for Demo Roar / Faerie Fire uptime). I would think that this was what the recent blue post about changing tanking mechanics in the future to "active mitigation" was talking about. As a bear, your "rotation" actually has some impact on how much damage you take (though still not as much as a DK). Warriors can Heroic Strike all they want but they'll still get punched in the face just as hard.

Good points about the looking at tanks that are significantly ahead of me. Not really comparing apples to apples as the fights are dramatically different even on the same boss. Although the melee hit being the highest is what gave me pause in the first place. That's just not right.

I installed and configured Power Word Auras a couple of weeks ago to try to help keep my things on CD. Just becoming used to a slightly different rotation, It will get there.

[Deceax]

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Power Word Auras

Lul priest much?

[Dewyoxburger]

Deceax, on 15 September 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

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Power Word Auras

Lul priest much?

Ummmm, Power Word auras are new? LOL. Ooops

[Stabandtwirl]

Sobeyet, on 15 September 2011 - 01:15 PM, said:

Warriors can Heroic Strike all they want but they'll still get punched in the face just as hard.

I lolled.

[Guinthel]

Dewyoxburger, on 15 September 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

Deceax, on 15 September 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

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Power Word Auras

Lul priest much?

Ummmm, Power Word auras are new? LOL. Ooops

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[Kaai]

Dewyoxburger, on 14 September 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Nephilim, current guild, since 4.2 launched. Leaving the guild as the raid team has fallen apart due to a mass exodus

I was in Neph too, before Devarin, coolwipmynip, Lisen, Trinity, to name a few people of my old ten man left. Nephilim seems to be repeating the same trend that had me leave a while back.

Dewyoxburger, on 14 September 2011 - 05:56 PM, said:

Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
I've raided with Wrathblood, Kaai, and NoBubble (in unseen ugh)

I know dewy a bit. He was raiding with my hubby and needed a dps for baleroc, so I brought in my shitting hunter. I noticed they were struggling, so I introduced them to our strat. Where there is one tank and one person takes the entire first crystal to allow the heals to get as many stacks as possible right off the bat. He took the random nonsense of advice from a stranger quite well, and it gave them some progress. I watched him tank, and although he could learn some new things, I think he would be a good addition.... as long as I get the fire kitty staff first

I am no good at breaking down wol at all and his armory is showing boomkin gear atm. I did glance at it earlier and it seemed ok. Looks like Sobe is already all over the wol and everything else. lol

oh and on a side note, I still am trying to get mangle to be my top damage spell, but when you have to stop your rotation so you don't pull or something usually just sit back and auto swing a bit, I may just end up macroing all of buttons with mangle lol

[Sobeyet]

Kaai, on 15 September 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

oh and on a side note, I still am trying to get mangle to be my top damage spell, but when you have to stop your rotation so you don't pull or something usually just sit back and auto swing a bit, I may just end up macroing all of buttons with mangle lol

Well the most important part in a non-tank-and-spank fight is always going to be how well you execute the mechanics. If the fight calls for you to taunt at the appropriate time, kite an add away, interrupt a spell, etc. that's going to contribute more to the attempt than keeping up a perfect rotation. But the benefit of "mastering" your rotation (which you never really can regardless of how leet you are, it's just an ongoing process to improve) is that after a certain threshold of expertise you can apply it to any situation with minimal effort.

According to the Desktop Picture thread you're all a bunch of gun nuts, so I'll use that as an example. If you know how to maintain your firearm, sight it, have the proper grip, and control your breathing, you can take that skill set and apply it to a number of different firing situations. Sure you'll have to make adjustments for differences in the size, speed, distance of the target, but the fundamentals are mostly the same. If you're comfortable enough with your "rotation" in WoW, you can do it while you're running out of fire, kiting, or whatever.

[Kaai]

Sobeyet, on 15 September 2011 - 05:40 PM, said:

Kaai, on 15 September 2011 - 05:18 PM, said:

oh and on a side note, I still am trying to get mangle to be my top damage spell, but when you have to stop your rotation so you don't pull or something usually just sit back and auto swing a bit, I may just end up macroing all of buttons with mangle lol

Well the most important part in a non-tank-and-spank fight is always going to be how well you execute the mechanics. If the fight calls for you to taunt at the appropriate time, kite an add away, interrupt a spell, etc. that's going to contribute more to the attempt than keeping up a perfect rotation. But the benefit of "mastering" your rotation (which you never really can regardless of how leet you are, it's just an ongoing process to improve) is that after a certain threshold of expertise you can apply it to any situation with minimal effort.

According to the Desktop Picture thread you're all a bunch of gun nuts, so I'll use that as an example. If you know how to maintain your firearm, sight it, have the proper grip, and control your breathing, you can take that skill set and apply it to a number of different firing situations. Sure you'll have to make adjustments for differences in the size, speed, distance of the target, but the fundamentals are mostly the same. If you're comfortable enough with your "rotation" in WoW, you can do it while you're running out of fire, kiting, or whatever.

yeah I have not mastered my rotation I'm sure you can tell. I still am trying to improve though, maybe the macro will help.

[Wrathblood]

sobie speaks the truth here. to play a spec well, you have to be able to run the rotation without really thinking about it. that way you can think about avoiding fire, mechanics or whatever. the way you get there is practice and repetition to build muscle memory.

time to work on your dps, kaai

[Deceax]

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sobie speaks the truth here

Raiding is like guns. GOT IT! Now where is that fire I'm not supposed to stand in?

[Sobeyet]

For people who prefer their overstretched metaphors in football over guns: http://smartfootball...-and-brain.html