[Iamheals]

Discuss your talents and tell us how long you have been this particular spec:

I've been a priest for a good 3 years now. Throughout that time, I've raided in every spec at least 10 times, but found holy as "home". I've played holy throughout most of my raiding career. I've found that it brings a great mix of challenge in mana management, quick - thinking, and just being on top of you game

Ventrilo and do you have a mic:
Yes and Yes.

Do you have an authenticator?
I can if necessary but I'd rather not.

Typical Weekly Playtime:
Monday - Friday from 6PM ST to (insert time necessary)

Time Zone:
UCT -6:00

Previous Guilds:
Unseen Wrath. Been with them for a while now but seeing as the guild leader quit the game and the co-leader left to another guild afterwards, it's pretty much been downhill ever since

Previous Raiding Experience:
Had experience with every boss in 4.0, No current experience with 4.2

Why are you applying to us:
Well ever since Unseen Wrath lost it's leader and co-leader, I've been trying to stick with them, but now it's starting to become less and less bearable (and a waste of my money too). In trade chat I saw Wrathblood asking for a healing priest so I decided to apply.

Link us your Armory:
http://us.battle.net...Iamheals/simple

Screenshot of your UI, preferably in a raid environment:
http://imageshack.us...1611163404.jpg/
(Not really much of a difference in raid environment except the bottom has more bars for Healbot)

World of Logs Report:
http://www.worldoflo...9waz/details/6/
(Its Heroic ZA but it's all I could get)

Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
I guess I sorta know Wrathblood. He pointed me here

Tell us a bit about yourself:
My Name is Caden. Been playing WoW for almost 5 years now. I've always enjoyed WoW and think of it as a hobby not a lifestyle. I spent extra time playing other games and programming.

Thanks for reading

[Daloc]

You need to work on your gear baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadly.

[Iamheals]

Daloc, on 16 July 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

You need to work on your gear baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadly.

Yeah thats something I was worrying about. I should have close to all epics in about a week - week 1/2. Any other recommendations are welcome.

[Guinthel]

Initial thoughts:

Kind of sparse application? Check (no surprise there, its a common theme on drenden).
WoL parse? Check.
UI? Check.
Raid Experience? Incomplete. Tell me what you have done before 4.0
Thanked us for reading / politeness? Check.

Ill give my thoughts on gear and what not later, but in the meantime I will ask the most important question of them all:

How important to you are healing meters?

[Iamheals]

Guinthel, on 16 July 2011 - 10:57 PM, said:

Initial thoughts:

Kind of sparse application? Check (no surprise there, its a common theme on drenden).
WoL parse? Check.
UI? Check.
Raid Experience? Incomplete. Tell me what you have done before 4.0
Thanked us for reading / politeness? Check.

Ill give my thoughts on gear and what not later, but in the meantime I will ask the most important question of them all:

How important to you are healing meters?

Raid Experience pre - 4.0 :

10 Man :
3.0 - Full Complete (Except Malygos)
3.1 - Experience on all bosses but not a FC
3.2 - Everything except last boss
3.3 - Full Complete

25 man :
3.0 - All of Arachnid Quater.Patchwerk, Grobbulus,Rasuvious. Sartharion - Complete. (No Malygos)
3.1 - All of siege
3.2 - Everything except last boss (Kinda odd didn't beat last boss here either)
3.3 - First 7 bosses



How important are healing meters?

Not at all. To me they are nothing more then numbers with little meaning to ME.
When I judge a healer I do it off how many people died and by there mana management.
If they are good in those areas, in my book they are a decent healer.

[Guinthel]

Iamheals, on 16 July 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

Not at all. To me they are nothing more then numbers with little meaning to ME.
When I judge a healer I do it off how many people died and by there mana management.
If they are good in those areas, in my book they are a decent healer.

If the vast amount of information healing meters (especially on wol) means nothing to you then we are obviously not on the same playing field.

How exactly do you judge ones mana management without healing meters? seeing if their bar is full blue all the time? Each class has very different mana management techniques, non of which are identifiable without some kind of mana regn/spell cast breakdown.

The idea that the healers are fine, so long as the raid survives is complete and utter garbage. The event of someone dying during an encounter often has very little to do with healers or healer performance.

Don't take my comments the wrong way, im only saying the above to encourage you to take healing meters seriously, not for the e-peen about big numbers, or complaining that the shaman only does 7k while you are doing 14. Healing meters have ALOT of information to offer to those who care enough to look, and improve their game. WoL specifically can tell me if your are using your mana cooldown effectively, and efficiently (popping fiend early on 5+minute fights, and popping hymn with fiend regardless). WoL can also tell me if you spam too much flash heal, neglect renewing the tank because its the holy paladins job to heal the tank, or generally cast the wrong mixture of spells.

Ill say it again, don't take my critique the wrong way, its only meant to be helpful. We are in need of a healer, and adding a priest to the mix would be great. Especially one who is comfortable with all 3 priest specs.

[Iamheals]

Guinthel, on 17 July 2011 - 12:48 AM, said:

Iamheals, on 16 July 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

Not at all. To me they are nothing more then numbers with little meaning to ME.
When I judge a healer I do it off how many people died and by there mana management.
If they are good in those areas, in my book they are a decent healer.

If the vast amount of information healing meters (especially on wol) means nothing to you then we are obviously not on the same playing field.

How exactly do you judge ones mana management without healing meters? seeing if their bar is full blue all the time? Each class has very different mana management techniques, non of which are identifiable without some kind of mana regn/spell cast breakdown.

The idea that the healers are fine, so long as the raid survives is complete and utter garbage. The event of someone dying during an encounter often has very little to do with healers or healer performance.

Don't take my comments the wrong way, im only saying the above to encourage you to take healing meters seriously, not for the e-peen about big numbers, or complaining that the shaman only does 7k while you are doing 14. Healing meters have ALOT of information to offer to those who care enough to look, and improve their game. WoL specifically can tell me if your are using your mana cooldown effectively, and efficiently (popping fiend early on 5+minute fights, and popping hymn with fiend regardless). WoL can also tell me if you spam too much flash heal, neglect renewing the tank because its the holy paladins job to heal the tank, or generally cast the wrong mixture of spells.

Ill say it again, don't take my critique the wrong way, its only meant to be helpful. We are in need of a healer, and adding a priest to the mix would be great. Especially one who is comfortable with all 3 priest specs.

Ok now I better understand your question. Great explanation by the way. I really didn't think about WoL. I interpreted it as recount or skada numbers solely. But yes in terms of WoL and other types of meters SUCH AS THAT I completely agree. I also take back the comment about mana and basing them by off of how many died. Now that I read your reply I can see some errors in my theory. But in conclusion when looking at meters such as WoL and other meters that give more detail then just numbers and "bragging right" of being able to say "HA I GOT 10K HPS AND YOU ONLY GOT 7K HPS" I completely agree that those types of meters are an excellent way of getting a better understanding of a healers ability.

[Daloc]

Also you'd rather -not- have an authenticator? You're a bad person.

[Iamheals]

Daloc, on 17 July 2011 - 02:14 AM, said:

Also you'd rather -not- have an authenticator? You're a bad person.

No it's just that last time I put an authenticator on my account I updated my phone and forgot to remove authenticator so I had to go through a process with Blizzard. Just not worth it in my opinion. Besides I don't download much on this computer and don't go to "unsafe" websites so not really much of a chance of getting a virus and getting my account hacked.

[Sobeyet]

Looks like Gunther has things under control here (this is great! I'll let him take the next couple of priest apps too) so a few passing comments:

• Gear obviously not where it needs to be for Firelands, JP/ZA gear with good enchants/gems should be a minimum. But it's easy enough to get outside of raids by yourself, so we can keep track of how much effort you put in.
• At least you tried to get a log, even if it's ZA. Sadly that's a rarity for Drenden, half the apps don't even know what logs are.
• Like the general responses, Gunther kind of gave you a trick question with the meters. I'd like to hear you talk more about priest-specific or encounter-specific strategies, synergy with different healing classes, CD usage, etc.
• I don't have an authenticator, have been playing since 2007, haven't changed my password once, and I think I'm the only GM/Officer that hasn't gotten hacked. So yeah, no idea how people get hacked, but it happens all the time.
• (I'm totally getting hacked now, probably from one of you assholes)

[Guinthel]

Good to see Haste>mastery reforges and 2 excellent trinkets, however:

-reforge wand's crit>spirit
-deforge Kibbles mastery>haste
-deforge belt same thing
-no belt buckle? 40 haste in belt? When in doubt, intellect, or intellect + x if going for a bonus.
-aim for that 4 set bonus asap.

your talent spec is a bid weird. SoL is a no-no for pve. Desperate prayer is an excellent spell and I don't know why other priests don't use it. Luci likes to prove time and time again why we should take it, cause hes awesome and likes to die to adds alot.You have shoudl drop rapid renewal for SoR. As you have to choose between one or the other for spending the point id go with SoR. Renew spam is dumb. Drop state of mind, its useless if you think about it, and pick up blessid resil.

Heres the best spec I can make for holy:

http://www.wowhead.c...rRzrkfzoh:oVZ0q

take the basic template from EJ, 4 points of filler are best put in the 3% haste and DespPrayer. Why no veiled shadows? That talent is only useful in fights lasting less than 5 minutes, or more than 8 (or something like that maybe ill find my source again for that).

Also shamelessly stolen from better players than I:
Stat Priority

Basic gearing strategy for Holy:

1. Get as much Intellect as you can through higher item level gear.
2. Make sure every item has Spirit as a secondary stat, and gem/enchant/reforge for enough spirit to feel comfortable.
3. Get enough Haste to have 12.5% raid buffed (for the extra tick of renew).
This is not absolutely required, especially when you first begin to gear up, but you will probably find
that you prefer to have even more haste as you aquire better gear and begin to tackle more difficult fights.
4. Choose Mastery and Haste according to your preference and raid environment.
5. Avoid Crit, which has the worst conversion factors and is devalued further by our talents to
increase it.


At lower gear levels (yours), mastery>haste, end of story.

[Wrathblood]

Hey, I've never been hacked either, though I did go out and get an authenticator after the fiasco with Shaardik getting hacked at the end of WotLK.

I mostly echo the other comments. Like the tone of the app, but you dont have the horsepower to even throw you into a trial of some sort yet. Gear is easy to fix, but we won't do it for you unless there's a good reason too. Lets see how agressively you improve your gear and we'll stay in contact.

Lava, any thoughts?

[Iamheals]

Ok sorry for the late reply. First I'd like to say I am amazed and greatful for the pool of information given here. I wasn't expecting more then a few bits of helpful information and a blunt no (as with most guilds). But really wow, this is great. Thanks.

The authenticator is a possibility it's just that I'd rather not but will if necessary.

And for the situation about the gear. I'm really excited to see an interest in me but later down the road. Most guilds would see this application and say no, he has no potential, he's a noob. The gear should take no longer then a week - week 1/2 to get. O

So would iLvl gear of 353+ in every slot be a decent start? Or higher?



Again Thank you for reading and I'll stay in touch with either Guinthel or Wrathblood.

-Iamheals

[Deceax]

Gear is lacking but I'm digging the overall tone of the app and the way they are handling the criticism. Get some gear. We need a healer so guinthel doesn't off himself healing baleroc.

[Kbore]

Deceax, on 17 July 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:

Gear is lacking but I'm digging the overall tone of the app and the way they are handling the criticism. Get some gear. We need a healer so guinthel doesn't off himself healing baleroc.

Bah, he wants to beat his world rank #44 next week so no rush >.<

[Iamheals]

Guinthel, on 17 July 2011 - 10:24 AM, said:

Good to see Haste>mastery reforges and 2 excellent trinkets, however:

-reforge wand's crit>spirit
-deforge Kibbles mastery>haste
-deforge belt same thing
-no belt buckle? 40 haste in belt? When in doubt, intellect, or intellect + x if going for a bonus.
-aim for that 4 set bonus asap.

your talent spec is a bid weird. SoL is a no-no for pve. Desperate prayer is an excellent spell and I don't know why other priests don't use it. Luci likes to prove time and time again why we should take it, cause hes awesome and likes to die to adds alot.You have shoudl drop rapid renewal for SoR. As you have to choose between one or the other for spending the point id go with SoR. Renew spam is dumb. Drop state of mind, its useless if you think about it, and pick up blessid resil.

Heres the best spec I can make for holy:

http://www.wowhead.c...rRzrkfzoh:oVZ0q

take the basic template from EJ, 4 points of filler are best put in the 3% haste and DespPrayer. Why no veiled shadows? That talent is only useful in fights lasting less than 5 minutes, or more than 8 (or something like that maybe ill find my source again for that).

Also shamelessly stolen from better players than I:
Stat Priority

Basic gearing strategy for Holy:

1. Get as much Intellect as you can through higher item level gear.
2. Make sure every item has Spirit as a secondary stat, and gem/enchant/reforge for enough spirit to feel comfortable.
3. Get enough Haste to have 12.5% raid buffed (for the extra tick of renew).
This is not absolutely required, especially when you first begin to gear up, but you will probably find
that you prefer to have even more haste as you aquire better gear and begin to tackle more difficult fights.
4. Choose Mastery and Haste according to your preference and raid environment.
5. Avoid Crit, which has the worst conversion factors and is devalued further by our talents to
increase it.


At lower gear levels (yours), mastery>haste, end of story.

Fixed a good bit of it now

[Len]

Sobeyet, on 17 July 2011 - 09:23 AM, said:

I don't have an authenticator, have been playing since 2007, haven't changed my password once, and I think I'm the only GM/Officer that hasn't gotten hacked.

*ahem*

The only reason that I got one was because Bear was requiring it for the officer rank.

[Wrathblood]

App accepted. Congrats and welcome aboard.

[Sobeyet]

I gave you member chat access on the forums.

P.S. Kudos on gearing up so fast.