[Darkness]

Discuss your talents and tell us how long you have been this particular spec:
Im a frost dk, and always have been, I dual weild
Ventrilo and do you have a mic:
Yes and yes
Do you have an authenticator?
Negative
Typical Weekly Playtime:
All the time, im on every day, and my school gets out this week so ill be on even more! i'm always available to raid
Time Zone:
Eastern, i live in florida
Previous Guilds:
Unseen wrath
Previous Raiding Experience:
I raided most of ulduar and all of icc, ive done the cata raids, downed all bosses cept' nefarian and al akir
Why are you applying to us:
My guild is beginning to fall appart, and i want a solid raid spot
Link us your Armory:
http://us.battle.net...a0rkness/simple
Screenshot of your UI, preferably in a raid environment: (i put this in the attachments)
World of Logs Report:
Wrathblood said he'll get a hold of these, lol not sure how this works... >_>
Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
Wrathblood
Tell us a bit about yourself:
I love WoW . I pvp'd alot this season, and it made me alot more raid aware, but now im going back to pve again! im still gearing, with valor ect, however ive asked some full epic 359 players their dps and mines higher, i know dps isnt everything, but i dont stand in stuff either! its the whole package!

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[Wrathblood]

Indeed its true. By a fluke, I came across a decent recent log of Darkness raiding. Its linked below.

http://www.worldoflo...sum/damageDone/

I've chatted with Darkness a bit. Seems like a personable guy with a good sense of humor. Haven't actually run anything with him so I can't speak to how he plays.

[Sobeyet]

Gear:

• 148 below expertise cap
• Shoulders - wrong enchant and gem
• Back - wrong enchant
• Bracers - PvP, and you could get the hit from elsewhere and use the strength enchant
• Weapons - Should be Razorice on the MH, Fallen Crusader on the OH
• Legs - bad enchant
• Boots - wrong enchant
• BS not leveled, 2nd profession empty
• Should have reforged to hit expertise cap, but otherwise okay
• Doesn't look like much raiding experience, at least on this toon (only 1-2 kills on everything)

WoL:

• Blood plague uptime is too low, hovers at 20-30% on most fights. No reason it should be that low, especially if you're 3/3 Epidemic
• Could use Outbreak more to bump up BP uptime
• Could squeeze in more Pillar of Frosts as well
• Overall offensive CD usage isn't bad, better than I see from most apps.
• Defensive CDs are pretty bad. Only used IBF once the entire night, AMS usage is low. Could have saved you on that Atramedes attempt (though the damage you took was perfectly healable - in hard modes you need to do everything you can to mitigate damage, so you need to get in the habit of popping CDs, even if you won't necessarily die). Not using any defensive CDs on Chimaeron Feud phase is a bad sign.
• Seems like you're wasting globals, Frost Strikes are a bit low
• Missing a few rime procs, Howling Blast is a bit low as well
• Not wasting too many Killing Machine procs, which is good

Also, from the looks of your UI it seems like you're a clicker (8, 9, 0, - keys). If you PvP then you should know that clicking is bad (lol Efebo). UI doesn't seem particularly useful for helping you keep track of runes, CDs, dots, etc. If you have to look at the corner of your screen to check things, that means you could miss the fire in the middle of the screen.

So the app's a little disappointing. Missing a lot of basic stuff you should have taken care of before you apped. Overall mashing seems okay, though not great. It seems like you've gotten a lot of upgrades recently. I'd like to see you fix up your character and get another WoL, hopefully implementing some of the tips from above.

[Ballack]

Alright Sobe I can help with some checks here. Quite a few things that can be vastly improved. My main is a DK in a 7/13 Heroic guild and I always enjoy helping out new DK's and it looks like you started in ICC.

First thing I would do is to download Bartender4 or Dominos. Personally I have switched to Dominos but Bartender served me well. Several big time DPs bumps aren't hotkeyed - hence why Sobe says clicker.
1. Buttons like ERW, Blood Tap, Outbreak, Army, and even Horn of Winter are dps gains. They should have a key you can hit.
2. Take your taunt buttons and throw them out the window. You don't need them as DPS. Blood Strike can go as well as of 4.1 - since Blood Runes are Death Runes always in frost.
3. Where is Blood Fury (racial) and trinket (TB) on your bars. They should be there. You can even macro them together since they have two minute CD.
4. Raise Ally should be hotkeyed as well since it is a brez now. Searching for a body takes long enough trust me.

Since I am guessing you are accustomed to playing with a regular keyboard. Get a modifier key and learn to love macros. Using shift to change from say Icy Touch to Chains of Ice, or Mind Freeze to Strangulate. Modifier keys use a button like ctrl, shift, or alt to swap to a second ability when set up with a macro.

Your reforge is confusing to me as well. Since 4.1 Haste slightly > Mastery and all DK's should dps in UH presence.

How do you track disease uptime? Each disease makes Oblit hit 12.5% harder and missing BP 63% of the time means you beat up your own dps. It looks like you have quite a bit going on with scrolling combat text. Not really necessary to have all those numbers rolling. The procs are a plus though and I applaud that.

Later on Heresiarch will be working on HM Magmaw and Conclave I am sure. Both of these require ridiculous kiting from a frost DK. This means you are the man. How much do you know about the kite spec? In 10 man it is less important for Conclave but more important on Magmaw.

This is a side by side look at Atramedes. I realized you may have done him for one of your first few tries here.

You - 6 minute 38 seconds (4x 2 min, 7x 1 min, 2x 5 min, 1x 10 min)

Unholy Strength 5 59.9 15.0 % #
Thrill of Victory 1 20.1 5.0 % #
Heartened 1 20.0 5.0 % #
Pillar of Frost 1 19.9 5.0 % #
Blood Fury 1 14.9 3.7 % #
Killing Machine 6 10.9 2.7 % #

Frost Fever 7 101.9 25.5 % #
Blood Plague 1 33.0 8.3 % #

Obliterate 257264 22.7 % 14 12613.3 176586 3 26892.7 80678
Frost Strike 229111 20.2 % 17 11109.4 188859 2 20126.0 40252
Melee 174829 15.4 % 40 3264.4 130578 1 9316.0 9316
Obliterate Off-Hand 158528 14.0 % 14 7805.4 109275 3 16417.7 49253
Frost Strike Off-Hand 151435 13.4 % 17 6707.2 114022 3 12471.0 37413

Me - 5 minute 21 seconds (3x 2 min, 6x 1 min, 2x 5min, 1x 10 min)

Slayer 360 267.9 82.9 % # (trinket) - here for uptime only
Death Eater 38 262.9 81.4 % # (4pc proc) - here for uptime only
Unholy Strength 28 228.1 70.6 % #
Rageheart 3 60.3 18.7 % #
Pillar of Frost 3 60.1 18.6 % #
Blood Fury 3 45.2 14.0 % #
Golem's Strength 1 25.0 7.7 % #
Horn of Winter 2 21.5 6.7 % #
Anti-Magic Shell 10 21.1 6.5 % #
Army of the Dead 1 4.1 1.3 % #

Frost Fever 33 313.2 97.0 % #
Blood Plague 13 303.6 94.0 % #

Frost Strike 1164697 21.0 % 46 11131.1 512029 26 25102.6 652668
Obliterate 1037465 18.7 % 33 14090.2 464976 20 28196.8 563935
Melee 888295 16.0 % 166 3208.4 532596 25 6768.8 169219
Frost Strike Off-Hand 716533 12.9 % 49 7046.3 345267 23 16142.0 371266
Obliterate Off-Hand 606106 10.9 % 39 8598.1 335327 15 18051.9 270779

Now I can admit this isn't even my best work, clearly I missed an ERW and at least one Pillar and that is crap but I'm also raid leading on this fight and am the marker for our heroic strategy and it's an execution fight over a dps race one. Our boss also died mid air phase so actually I only had about 5 minutes of DPS time.

The big things to notice are the disease uptimes and CD usage.
1. My disease uptime is really high for a fight where 40 seconds I can't be on the boss and am thumbing my butt-hole. I reapply diseases right before an airphase to increase my dps. Another idea is use outbreak when he is airborne as it will hit.
2. AMS is gold on this fight - doesn't prevent sound but does absorb the damage.
3. The shear volume of attacks I got off along with Unholy Strength uptime shows why UH pres > FR pres. 15% more strength for 20% of the fight and my attacks are as follows:

Me vs. You

OB: 53 to 17
FS: 72 to 19.5 (you had a MH FS dodged because of low Exp)
White: 191 to 41

You seem to have a solid grasp of the frost priority system just need to stay on target more and make some adjustments. DPS is never a perfect thing and frost is a tough system to master. Most of this giant text wall is just things that I see where improvements could be made. If you need some help I can hop on Drenden and work with you a bit on rotation and execution. Melee really took a fist in the ass this tier and Firelands appears to be no different according to the top end guilds. To be a viable melee dps you really have to be on top of your game. Best of luck with the app and respond here if you would like some help.

[Sobeyet]

You picked the one fight out of 7 where he died? He died 80 seconds into the fight, pretty useless to run a comparison on it. Way to fail.

Also, for his gear haste is vastly better than mastery, it's not even close:

Str - 2.6380
Exp - 1.0281
Haste - 1.2045
Mastery - 0.9717
Crit - 0.9537

[Wrathblood]

In his defense, re: haste vs mastery, he's actually decently up on frost theorycrafting, but literally just realized yesterday that he was at the point where haste > mastery and has just started shifting over.

[Ballack]

wow I'm a herp derp.... didn't even notice that...

[Efebo]

CLIKERS FTW... but yeah u want more dps go keyboard!

[Darkness]

Haha, hey yea, ive got a few messed up and weak enchants, because im working on getting a bit of gold to buy them.. and also, dont wanna enchant those shoulders with the epic yet, there better ones out of ZA, I just started reforging different and regemmed a little, i know im currently under expertise cap, trying to fix that, and i'm not sure how old that log is, but i used to play on a VERY bad computer, i had all my settings on Low and was lucky to get above 15 fps, but i upgraded, and now rock 60 fps in a 25m raid on ultra! helps me see stuff not to stand in. I have more raid experience than you'd think , my druid, Druidheals has downed several things, and i just downed Chogall on this toon last night. I'm not sure how to get hold of a current log, but if i could find the chogall fight i did last night, im sure you'd be impressed.

[Darkness]

Also-- I just reforged and threw in a gem to expertise cap, and re-enchanted , and as for the pvp bracers, i'd like to replace them with 359 raid bracers soon as a pair drops, but replacing them with 353, or 346 would just be a loss in dps, ill look into changing my UI, i had barteder, i just changed back at a point because i likes the blizz ui better, i guess bartender would make it easier tho, ill look into DoT trackers ect.. And i just checked that log, it looked either like a VERY old log, or an alt run :/ But i have improved from then, im sure

[Sobeyet]

Darkness, on 06 June 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

im working on getting a bit of gold to buy them

If you don't have the gold to get enchants, do you have the gold to raid? (And honored shoulders cost the same as exalted, 75g) I'm guessing UW didn't provide flasks/feasts, did you just raid without them?

Darkness, on 06 June 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

.. and also, dont wanna enchant those shoulders with the epic yet, there better ones out of ZA

There's always a better piece of gear out there, but you have one chance to make a good first impression when apping to a guild and proper gems/enchants is the bare minimum you should take care of before you even app.

Darkness, on 06 June 2011 - 04:11 PM, said:

i'm not sure how old that log is, but i used to play on a VERY bad computer, i had all my settings on Low and was lucky to get above 15 fps, but i upgraded, and now rock 60 fps in a 25m raid on ultra! helps me see stuff not to stand in. I have more raid experience than you'd think , my druid, Druidheals has downed several things, and i just downed Chogall on this toon last night. I'm not sure how to get hold of a current log, but if i could find the chogall fight i did last night, im sure you'd be impressed.

The log's from 5/31, so only 6 days between it and your Cho'gall kill. Not sure how much you would have improved in 6 days, but the log from 5/30 wasn't particularly great either. FYI, simulations have you topping out around 22.7k dps on a single-target tank-and-spank with full buffs/debuffs. On most single-target bosses without any damage gimmick you hover around 14k. I need to see it around 17-18k consistently while not standing in fire and using defensive CDs. Your druid has 1-4 kills in BWD/BoT, and it's also missing enchants and professions.

So far the biggest drawback from your app is lack of effort. Take this week to fix everything and get an updated log.

[Wrathblood]

Log was from 5/31, I think.

[Locklove]

Dps isnt always everything, you say its pretty great? just think how much more you would do if you had proper gems/enchants? Im not gonna roll on you for being a clicker I use to be one myself,buuuut you really need to move to key binds its a dps increase of its own, for me took less than a week practicing on dummies. Don't have a WOL? im no better myself I didnt have one at app either. Buuuuut the fact you didnt know what one was disturbs, me bugs the crap out of me. If there is a question you don't know on an app, wouldnt you wanna know what it means or is? Is it that hard to put such a small amount of effort to google or research it?

Theres alot of apps that have passed and failed and gave great examples of what to do and what not to do. If you checked these out it would have saved you alot of time and made your app way better. Your app is all we really have to get an idea of your skills/personality. Sooo far what I see is you can't finish what you start aka your professions if you did that you would have less gold problems thats for sure. you dont wanna research things you dont know, your a cheapo not wanting to spend gold on enchants/gems that are good for you. There is prepared and unprepared, and you sir are not prepared. Were looking for effort here to show that you want more for not just yourself but the people around you. Doing these things we "advised" you shows that your putting every effort to help the others around you by being your best. We wanna see you strive to be better, and by you being better we as a guild are at least 1% better.

Soooo go forth and make improvements like mentioned by Sobe and the others, we love to see return apps who listen ; )


edit: im not trying to rip on you honestly but you got to ask yourself this, would you rather have someone with great gear using it to its full potential or someone that can't, wont, or doesnt show effort to? Prove to us you want to....

[Wrathblood]

Ran ZA with him and phayth (on her mage). WoL post is below:

http://www.worldoflo...cehj0myp5xz4qn/

[Darkness]

@ Locklove-- Alright, I fixed all my gems and enchants, and I KNOW what WoL is, but i have no clue how to use it. If i said i didnt know what it was, my mistake, i do... , as for moving to keybinds, ive been planning on it forever, just never got around to it, much other stuff coming up, and i know it takes practice to get used to it. As for my professions, ive been slowly working on them. i was a JC but dropped it (was planning on picking up herb) which is why my 2nd prof is empty. Leveling BS is expensive at the level i'm at... Feliron. so i havnt been powerleveling, wanna have enough gold to buy gems/enchants/flasks/ect. So taking it slower. But ill get there!

Wrathblood, on 06 June 2011 - 10:50 PM, said:

Ran ZA with him and phayth (on her mage). WoL post is below:

http://www.worldoflo...cehj0myp5xz4qn/

Actually, it was ZG just a small correction ^.^

[Supgee]

If you have the rep for it, there's absolutely no reason why you shouldn't have the best enchant available. Honestly, I am the worst at making gold, I always have been. In Vanilla, I never had an epic mount, in BC never had an epic flying mount - and I still seem to get enough money for enchants this expansion. There's no reason not to. It's like a single heroic for 50g or more. Likewise with that green gem you have in your shoulders. "There's a better piece of gear out there" is an excuse I've heard all to frequently, and it's simply not a good one.

As far as from moving to keybinds from clicking - it shouldn't take you more than an hour to figure it out. You just have to set it up right. You should be able to press 1 - 6 on your numpad with ease. From there you have several options. If you have a mouse w/ bindable buttons, I suggest binding Mouse4, Mouse5, Mouse6, however many buttons your mouse has to abilities that you get frequent use out of. Also bind Shift+Mouse4, Shift+Mouse5, Shift+Mouse6. If you still need more after that, bind F, R, C, and V. Rebind your character pane to semi-colon. You can also use X and Z if you wish. Alternatively, you can use Shift+1, Shift+2, Shift+3, Shift+4, etc. Or Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2, etc. Just make sure you have your MOST used abilities on your 1 - 6, because the less work your pinkie has to do (to hold down shift/ctrl), the better.

All that said, don't take our criticism too hard. It is not personal. We are all interested in progression here, and the best way is to be frank about ways in which all of us can improve ourselves.

[Locklove]

i dont have a place to say yes or no. but he seems like a alot of work. if we need a warm body then sure why not we just de/os most gear anyway. mabye he could learn a thing or two give him a trial run on farm bosses. I think were gonna come across tank issues this week anyway so bring him along for a fight or 2. especially magmaw the way we do it is pure tank n spank. he says he knows his shit from his druid but his druid is not apping. just b.c your great on your druid imo doesnt mean anything to me for your DK.

if your druid is heals then honestly i would have that toon app, diablo can go tank on his druid or dk and that would help us more imo, sense were gonna have temp tank issues/shrug

btw if your gonna pick up herb do it, shouldnt tanke more that a day or 2 grind to max it out and there you habe a nice haste buff. easy extra dps right there and gold

This post has been edited by Locklove: 07 June 2011 - 04:47 AM

[Sobeyet]

Locklove, on 07 June 2011 - 04:44 AM, said:

if your druid is heals then honestly i would have that toon app, diablo can go tank on his druid or dk and that would help us more imo, sense were gonna have temp tank issues/shrug

He's apping on his DK, not his druid. I'm not going to force people to switch characters just because people are on summer vacation. Life goes on.

FYI, you shouldn't gem expertise. You can see the stat weightings for your gear on my second post - Strength still blows away everything else by at least 2:1. You could have reforged the mastery/crit out of another piece and hit the cap.

Some raid-related questions:

• Explain your job as a melee DPS in Nefarian normal for all phases
• Explain what abilities you would use to solo adds on Magmaw
• Explain DPS-break soaking on Heroic Chimaeron

I realize that you may not have seen these fights or have been asked to do these tasks before, but that's the point. If we threw you in Nefarian, would you know what to do?

[Hecatus]

If you guys are looking for a long term fix/pick up here... may wanna see if he can interrupt too >>

[Luciform]

Screw Elitist Jerks, if I ever make another class I'm coming to our recruitment forums for info. Shit is broke down insanely good and precise. Take notes Darkness