[Wrathblood]

Now that the heroics are up on Beta, some data is coming in about minimum totals needed to survive them. As benchmarks get set, I'll fill stuff in.

Tanks
Health - 110K (buffed)

DPS

Healers

[Guinthel]

heroic's looking osm this time around.

[Wrathblood]

Yeah, instead of comments like "Heroic UK looks well tuned. We one-shot all the bosses, but it was a good group" we're getting comments like "Boss beat tank like a ragdoll. Wiped 7 times before we came up with a working strategy". Now THAT is a heroic. Basically, if the party (especially the tank and healer) isn't all in the equivalent of full ilevel187-200 blues (in Northrend terminology) or better (and have a good group to boot) you're going to get your teeth kicked in by the trash and wipe repeatedly.

Gearing looks a bit different as well. Apparently there is useful, craftable level 85 blue pve gear, and the expectation is that people (at least at first. In 6 months, who knows?) will pick up some blues from the regular level 85 dungeons, get some more from quests, craft some and get some rep rewards. Some conflicting reports on the ilevels of the gear dropped in regular level 85s vs heroics so it might not be entirely hashed out yet.

[Guinthel]

normal dungen ilvl is 333, heroic i lvl should be 13 points higher

[Drickzy]

Guinthel, on 23 September 2010 - 08:51 PM, said:

normal dungen ilvl is 333, heroic i lvl should be 13 points higher

If they do it that way again. I know in some posts they've said that they regret where the gear had gone (lol @ dodge for ICC and the corresponding nerf zone debuff). So maybe they'll just change the quality from blue to epic instead of pounding on gear levels. Who knows

[Wrathblood]

There's a good bit of discussion on the wow board over ilevels, suggesting regular level 85s drop ilevel 346 gear and heroics drop blue ilevel 359 gear, but at this point I doubt any of it is worth banking on. For what its worth, the craftable purples available in the beta appear to be ilevel 359.

[Hecatus]

Wish epics were heroics only =/

[Wrathblood]

There seems to be some debate over whether purples will drop in heroics at all. I suspect they'll drop off heroic end bosses, just like in Wrath, but we'll see. Blue -> Purple is basically one tiers worth of itemization, so if ilevel 346 blues drop in regular level 85 dungeons and ilevel 359 blues drop in heroics, then blizzard will technically have cut the purples out of heroics, but from an itemization standpoint it'll be exactly the same as ilevel 200 blues vs ilevel 200 purples.

[Hecatus]

LOL. I love how after I've taken a break from WoW I get a beta invite for cata... F' you blizz.

[Guinthel]

ilvl346 is currently dropping in heroics.