[Shardik]

The only enchant that I can see that needs to be changed is the +8 stats to chest. It really should be a +10. Other than that, I don't have any real issues with the application. I don't really know a ton about Warrior Tanks, so I will leave that to Forte or Sobie. I would like to know how well you can hold threat, and how well you can manage your CDs, as these are the two things that should be examined when looking at a tank.

[Sobeyet]

Talents:

Curious why you took rend, not an ability that prot warriors use. Imp HS tends to be a better option, partly because all the other stuff is kind of meh. I'd also drop Focused Rage for 3/3 Incite, nice for trash, Dreamwalker, etc. Safeguard can be great for tanking LK.

Glyphs:

Glyphs are fungible depending on the encounter, but some comments since a couple of the ones you're using wouldn't have been my first choices. For pure survivability I'd go with Last Stand / Shield Wall / Blocking. I'd take the first 2 before blocking, just because the greatest threat of dying tends to be in those spiky/CD situations, not so much the consistent damage you take throughout the fight.

Cleaving for aoe tanking, devastate for single target. Taunt is situationally useful, I personally don't bother with it on my warrior since there are usually ways to overcome it. If I was tanking hard mode saurfang I'd probably still use it. It's a good idea to keep a stack of each glyph in your bags and tailor them to the fight you're on for progression.

Gear:

Like to see that you're gemming pure stam, our prot warrior is bad so I had to bug him to stop going for socket bonuses. Like most of your gear choices, I'd personally have gone with badge gloves / craftable legs. I usually go with the 37 stam / 20 def over the mind amplification dish (my warrior's an engi too) but it's not a huge swing.

Hard to gauge tanking from a WoL anyway, so the best way is to probably run something, an ICC 10 would be great, could even do a few heroics with my hunter or fury warrior to check on TPS.

Speaking of which, do you have much experience playing Fury? How's your DPS gear? Sometimes you can be expected to DPS on a 2-tank fight. You should change out glyph of execution for heroic strike.

[Wrathblood]

I have some quibbles (some of which Sobe's noted already) - shoulder enchant, shield enchant, gun enchant (haste?). Since you went with tier pieces I'm surprised you didn't push on and pick up the 4-piece bonus and your threat would probably be happier if you added more expertise. Overall, however, your gearing mostly gives the impression you know what you're doing. However, as Sobe also noted, tanking doesn't translate very well through WoL and running some random heroics/pug raids is the best way to get a feel for your threat, awareness, etc.

Still, lets test your knowledge just a bit.

1) You say your trinkets aren't the best. Which trinkets would you prefer and why?

2) What are the relative strengths and weaknesses of Mongoose, Blade Turning and Blood Draining as weapon enchants

3) Tell me a little about blocking

[Efebo]

Good application
i know him, hes a good prot warrior, and a good thing about him : he listen

[Voodie]

Sobeyet, on 22 July 2010 - 08:06 AM, said:

Hard to gauge tanking from a WoL anyway, so the best way is to probably run something, an ICC 10 would be great, could even do a few heroics with my hunter or fury warrior to check on TPS.

If you want to run one let me know and I can heal it.

Wrathblood said:

3) Tell me a little about blocking

RUUUUUUUUUN!

[Hecatus]

Dickface. Way to not remember me, the guild we were in, or any of that content progression!

(He was also in ReD StuFF and has fully cleared Naxx content.)

Then again I can't blame you for not listing that guild... it went down in flames due to officer issues/ninjas/xfers.

[diablorojo]

i do know him, i have been in 2 guilds with him( we downed lk10 man together in backroom) also i have been running with him for a few years and up until my joining of heresiarch aulann was my "resident expert" of the game
i would recommend giving him a shot, he has vast knowledge of the game and is a very good tank !!

[Forte]

The big thing that sticks out to me about his gearing choices is the fact that he chose to pick the Tier gear. Why that instead of picking up badge gear? And why no Pillars of Might?

Also, I think Wrath kind of asked this already, but why the choice in Mongoose for a weapon enchant?

[Ballack]

Forte, on 22 July 2010 - 12:10 PM, said:

The big thing that sticks out to me about his gearing choices is the fact that he chose to pick the Tier gear. Why that instead of picking up badge gear? And why no Pillars of Might?

Also, I think Wrath kind of asked this already, but why the choice in Mongoose for a weapon enchant?

I see alot of choices based on ilvl as opposed to effective health. The 245 badge trinket for example is much better the CTC heroic or not for pure mitigation. These tend to hurt your armor level. Most Heroic ICC tanks are running about 35K armor unless they are a bear druid.

[Shardik]

Wrathblood, on 22 July 2010 - 08:38 AM, said:

3) Tell me a little about blocking

Druids need a better block mechanic imo. You warriors and pallys have it made!

[Shardik]

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

Shardik, on 22 July 2010 - 06:24 AM, said:

The only enchant that I can see that needs to be changed is the +8 stats to chest. It really should be a +10. Other than that, I don't have any real issues with the application. I don't really know a ton about Warrior Tanks, so I will leave that to Forte or Sobie. I would like to know how well you can hold threat, and how well you can manage your CDs, as these are the two things that should be examined when looking at a tank.

does the 2 extra points really make that much of a different? i only went with 8 because it was cheaper and didn't think the 2 points would be that much of a lost (let me know so i can fix that). About my Aggro as long as I get a MD or tricks at the start of each boss fight I can hold aggro, I just need to build up rage and such. and my CDs are are set to maco and key bindings and I am very good about when to use or not use them.

Hecatus, on 22 July 2010 - 09:55 AM, said:

Dickface. Way to not remember me, the guild we were in, or any of that content progression!

(He was also in ReD StuFF and has fully cleared Naxx content.)

Then again I can't blame you for not listing that guild... it went down in flames due to officer issues/ninjas/xfers.

Im sorry:( i was trying to not put all the guild that i've been in just the ones I knew, that maybe known by the guild. I remember when I had to solo tank almost all the boss since our Main tank had no gear after being hack 2 times

The think with the enchant is this, why not get the 2 extra pnts? Why not get the max out of your gear? Sure it costs a bit more, but it seems kind of silly to use +8 when there is +10 out there. Thats 2 more str, 2 more agi, 2 more stam...more armor, crit, threat and health.

I would like to get you in some of our runs and see how well you can tank and all that jazz, hit me up in game.

[Sobeyet]

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 05:13 PM, said:

2. The speed incress is good for my heroic strike and the agi is good for my armor. Blade Turning? never heard of it, if you meant Blade ward. Its good if you have low parry and gives threat, but the proc chance is low. Blood Draining, is great if your low on HP and the healer needs a few sec to heal you, but require a skill that makes the target bleed like rend, or deep wounds as a warrior. As a warrior tank I find that mongoose or Blood Draining are good enchants

Um, no it doesn't. Read the description:

"Permanently enchants your weapon to sometimes grant Blood Reserve when striking an enemy or inflicting damage with bleed attacks. When you fall below 35% health, Blood Reserve restores 360 to 440 health. Lasts 20 sec and stacks up to 5 times."

Is that why you put points into Imp Rend? Please don't tell me you've been using Rend to tank.

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 05:13 PM, said:

3. Blocking not only increasing my Def but also my Dmg and aggro for shield slam.

I think Wrath was looking for a more technical answer.

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 05:59 PM, said:

does the 2 extra points really make that much of a different? i only went with 8 because it was cheaper and didn't think the 2 points would be that much of a lost (let me know so i can fix that).

Just a horrible, HORRIBLE, attitude for a tank to have. My expectations just went down the toilet after hearing that.

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well first i go for the 2 set bous wrich incress my dmg done=more aggro, and why no Pillers of Might, well.... I kinda spent all my 475 of my frost into making Shadow's Edge. I know I should be more worry about my tanking gear but Im trying to also be able to dps at the same time
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About my Aggro as long as I get a MD or tricks at the start of each boss fight I can hold aggro
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If your TPS is fine, then why do you need the 2-piece bonus? Are you familiar with the concept of EH? Now I'm starting to want to nitpick at the app.

[Shardik]

Alt runs? Why not throw you right into the fire of our main raid?

[Sobeyet]

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 06:21 PM, said:

I see your tittle is Guild dick but by reading this, I kinda like you for some reason, don't know why. well first why rend, well i was trying to get my points into Impale and deep wounds. but I think im going to drop Deep wounds to put the 3 point into maybe into that or Cruelty. (or does Cruelty only work for auto attack ill check that one out).

Deep wounds is much more effective as a threat talent than Cruelty. I would recommend going to EJ or tankspot and learning about the talents and exactly what they do, instead of licking your thumb, shoving it in the air, and randomly picking talents based on the way the wind blows.

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 06:21 PM, said:

now for glyphs I see what you mean but I never had that problem Before now and instead of worry about switching back and forth I just keep it for those 2 fight.

Glyphs are cheap, use them as consumables. If you can't afford to do it, then I worry about you. If you're too lazy to do it, then I don't care about you.

Aulann, on 22 July 2010 - 06:21 PM, said:

If i ever do come to that day were im swearing becuse I can't last stand then maybe.

Really? This makes me think you know nothing about CD management. I'd like to hear your CD strategy for a boss that you haven't tanked on hard mode. And no, "I pop shield wall when I take big damage" isn't a strategy.

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Thank you I take pride knowing im doing something right. I am willing to give up my glove or legs I just keep 2 T10 for the set. I like the MC healm becuase of the extra stam. and my Def is almost away around 560-70.
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You're using 3 pieces of T10, and the 3rd piece does absolutely nothing for you. Being too broke to get pillars of might is almost tolerable, but the kraken gloves are amazing and you can get them with badges.

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For my DPS. I have the Gear just need help knowing what to gem/encant it with. I do 7k in 25man
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You invested in a Shadow's Edge but you don't know what to gem/enchant for Fury? And I hope that 7k is outside of ICC. Wearing nothing but Shadow's Edge.