[Rohanna]

So it was brought up last week and as I do the DKP I have decided this will not be a hard thing to do and there was little to no protest.

So

Offset gear can now be bought with half DKP.

To do so:
- when the call goes out for loot you bid on the item you want as offset. Keep watching chat there will be a "KRT Loot Time is Over" call out, at this point you need to whisper Rohanna/Forte (whoever is doing loot, you will be given about 5 seconds so you have to be ready for it) DKP if you wish to bid DKP on the offset loot.
*this also means that people cannot change to go DKP cause someone else is as its private between the person tossing out loot and the person who is choosing to bid DKP so therefore I recommend you know before hand what you are willing to spend it on (and I am hoping this will force people to look into what gear they want/need more)*

How does this work?
- the item will be over out based on DKP, so if you wish to have it for DKP, and so does Bob, but Bob has more DKP he will get it.
- However of course mainset bids will get it over you still, sorry

Why for DKP?
- this is for the people (tanks, and dps with healing offspecs) who wish to get items over the people who have it rot in their banks. It also allows people who don't have anything more they want mainspec to grab some offset pieces and help balancing their DKP.

What does this mean if your negative and want some?
- same as main spec you will just keep going negative.
Yes this seems like it hurts new people, but actually its benefits the guild greatly and until your a vet it will not be a nice thing for you if people are picking things up. However we have lost alot of offset items to probies (who leave the guild), as offset is free roll to everyone no matter your rank.

What about people who wanna roll?
- it will be the same as before if you want in on the free roll don't whisper we, we had this going last week, not 1 person messaged to use dkp on an offset item, and I therefore don't see this being a use issue

What about BOES?
- BOE's are still going to go to the guild bank, you are still unable to offset them, you can pay the gb for them, however they are the only source of money coming into the bank to supply your flasks and such, and shardik is very fair about selling to guildies.

What about Hunter/Mages/Warlocks/Rogues that don't have an offspec?
- We will be allowing you to spend your DKP on gear you will use for that random spec you hardly ever use or PVP gear

[Guinthel]

Any more word on alts coming in for more gear, or spending mains dkp on alts gear?

[Wrathblood]

Spending main dkp on alt gear strikes me as, with a few exceptions (mostly someone who is in the process of switching mains), a really bad idea as it basically says that the guild values the alts of old-timers and regulars more than it values the mains of relative newcomers. Gold is another matter because it can always be trumped. I guess it might be doable if you built in a really extraordinary multiplier, like buying a piece for an alt with dkp costs 5x normal dkp or perhaps automatically resets your dkp to 0 or even to like -100 or something but even that is probably asking for trouble.

[Sobeyet]

Wrathblood, on 17 May 2010 - 06:31 PM, said:

Spending main dkp on alt gear strikes me as, with a few exceptions (mostly someone who is in the process of switching mains), a really bad idea as it basically says that the guild values the alts of old-timers and regulars more than it values the mains of relative newcomers. Gold is another matter because it can always be trumped. I guess it might be doable if you built in a really extraordinary multiplier, like buying a piece for an alt with dkp costs 5x normal dkp or perhaps automatically resets your dkp to 0 or even to like -100 or something but even that is probably asking for trouble.

An alt wouldn't be getting the gear above main spec anyway wrath, alts don't even win vs offspec of raiders. But I don't see the need for spending DKP on alt gear, we're charging extremely reasonable prices for it (cheaper than making Ulduar craftables).

[Len]

Guinthel, on 17 May 2010 - 05:49 PM, said:

Any more word on alts coming in for more gear, or spending mains dkp on alts gear?

Alts would only come in for purely farm bosses, and then on a very limited basis. We would need to balance the desire for the main helping out the raid vs. the alt's contribution. It really will be done only on a case by case basis, and planned out way in advance. Don't expect to show up on your alt and get an invite. If that's something that interests you, talk with Ryan about it ahead of time, make a convincing case as to how your alt is going to contribute at least as well as a raiding recruit would, and be very specific as to what you are looking for.

Alts will never win over a main spec raider. I can't see alts winning over offspec raiders even. Because of those two, I can only see an alt spending main DKP to win gear over another alt, and I doubt that we'll be bringing more than one alt to ICC anytime soon.

[Rohanna]

Alts win over offspec raiders, assuming the raider thats bidding doesn't use the spec constantly.

[Googleme]

Although, Ill add with our new 1/2 dkp system that a recruit/raider that bids Offspec Dkp would win it over an Alt.

[Sobeyet]

Yah, like Forte winning stuff over my warrior for his Fury set. He DPSes once in a while in raids so makes more sense for me to wait.

Might take me a while to get some prot gear since random people roll offset against my offset (I probably tank more than any non-raiding tank in the guild, main or not) but I'm a bit of an outlier so not a big deal.

[Wrathblood]

Hmm, this would probably mean adding an unworkably large amount of complexity to the system, but I wonder if its possible to differentiate between the PVP/seldom-if-ever-used-off-spec vs the regularly-used-off-spec. For example, I'd be hard pressed to name the last time I saw Rohanna dps in a raid, but Bearforce, though dps, ends up getting dragged into healing fights that are actually difficult on a fairly regular basis. Is it worth differentiating officially?

[Rohanna]

This is our way of allowing people to use their own want/will to decide if they feel they will use it more than someone else.

You may never have seen me dps in a 25 man, its because usually we are short healers not casters, I however have been building a set since meekah stopped going Moonkin for us, as well I use it in the 10 man when needed.

[Sobeyet]

Wrathblood, on 18 May 2010 - 01:30 PM, said:

Hmm, this would probably mean adding an unworkably large amount of complexity to the system, but I wonder if its possible to differentiate between the PVP/seldom-if-ever-used-off-spec vs the regularly-used-off-spec. For example, I'd be hard pressed to name the last time I saw Rohanna dps in a raid, but Bearforce, though dps, ends up getting dragged into healing fights that are actually difficult on a fairly regular basis. Is it worth differentiating officially?

I don't think it's necessary to implement a system for that. it's easy enough to whisper people and trade items on a case-by-case basis.

[Wrathblood]

Alright.