[Voodie]

Spent about an hour or so after the raid talking to Jesse and I really think he's a cool guy. Both myself and Dok *really* like Jesse's attitude, especially in light of the way the lock in was handled. I was also told that his DPS wasn't bad either. ^.~

[Sobeyet]

Cuddlebutt, on 12 February 2010 - 04:57 AM, said:

I was also told that his DPS wasn't bad either. ^.~

DPS wasn't bad for a rogue or DPS wasn't bad for a pug? The screenshots don't include anyone from Heresiarch that does amazing DPS, so as a rogue I'd expect to see him beating all of them. Also showing the raw DPS in his screenshots instead of Damage Done + DPS makes me cringe a bit, gives me the impression that he favors DPS without consideration for DPS time.

Simulations show combat at least 1k DPS behind mutilate in T9-T10, so it worries me that he's doing 800 DPS more with combat. I'm more inclined to think he's doing something wrong. If a hunter said "I get higher DPS with BM than SV or MM" - I would assume he's a retard. Same if a mage said Frost over Arcane. Since I'm not a rogue expert I'm not going to go that far, but not really convinced of his ability yet.

The gemming is also all over the place.

[Forte]

Sobeyet, on 12 February 2010 - 10:41 AM, said:

Simulations show combat at least 1k DPS behind mutilate in T9-T10, so it worries me that he's doing 800 DPS more with combat. I'm more inclined to think he's doing something wrong. If a hunter said "I get higher DPS with BM than SV or MM" - I would assume he's a retard. Same if a mage said Frost over Arcane. Since I'm not a rogue expert I'm not going to go that far, but not really convinced of his ability yet.

Just the fact that he made a conscious decision to play a spec that does less DPS rather than figure out what he was doing in Assassination wrong makes me =\

[Dokmora]

From a healer's perspective of working with Jesse last night for trash pulls and one attempt on Festergut...he didn't do anything STUPID and get himself killed, like so many rogues tend to do. He followed direction to a T and was open and enthusiastic about raiding. His dps from my recount was usually in the top 3.

Now, we all know one of the BEST things about this guild is the wealth of information our senior players have. Gem changes, spec changes and banging around a 10 man team for a while practicing mutilate with constructive direction will get him in tip top shape. And like he said, he hasn't done a whole lot of WOTLK himself. Moo's raid team might be a good place.


ps. If he doesn't work out, then blame Cuddle.

[Sobeyet]

Fort, on 12 February 2010 - 10:53 AM, said:

Just the fact that he made a conscious decision to play a spec that does less DPS rather than figure out what he was doing in Assassination wrong makes me =\

As I mentioned in the lock app, I'm all for people playing the spec they like - if he had said "I do get better DPS as Mut but just have a strong personal preference for Combat" I would have just thought he was weird and moved on (what kind of rogue doesn't want to haxx meters?!). But it seems like the disparity does get ridiculous in fullT10 according to simulcraft, combat is losing almost 2k DPS to mut and is below... wait for it... BM hunters.

[Sobeyet]

Dokmora, on 12 February 2010 - 11:08 AM, said:

His dps from my recount was usually in the top 3.

Usually top 3 out of 5 DPS? I'll try to apply some context to it. Deceax is decent at times but I wouldn't consider him one of our top DPS. Warzero is probably a notch below, though we haven't seen him in action for that long so maybe he'll get better. Savros has been... disappointing in DPS so far (I'll leave the details out of it since this isn't the place for it). I would expect a competent rogue in his gear to destroy all of them due to the strength of the class alone - yes it's a 10-man, but he had DK/Warriors for synergy, more than the mages at least.

Jesse, on 12 February 2010 - 11:11 AM, said:

I will add a screenshot when I get home of the Dmg + DPS. I kind of took the "...so we can check out your DPS/heals/tankage." too literal.

No screenshots please. /combatlog + WoL or WWS. For a funny example of why, look here: http://www.heresiarc...dpost__p__19983

If you're not raiding consistently, use it in a pug (preferably not VoA) or take one in ICC 10 if you run with the Heresiarch folks again.

[Forte]

I do very much like the fact that he's very open to our criticism and wanting to improve, that goes a long way imo.

[Unlucky]

From my perspective it doesn't surprise me that simply specing into Mutilate and using daggers then testing DPS on a dummy would lead to a DPS decrease from using a Combat spec. This is because there are many varieties that would change in doing so. For one you would lose expertise and not be at the softcap or at least close to it which is a HUGE part of mutilate dps. Another is the fact that alot of your gear has ArP which is a very low EP rating for mutilate. While your testing may have been flawed it is completely understandable why the mistake's where made. Who regems and itemizes every time they go to test dps on a spec they are not sure they are going to use. THATS WHAT SIMULATIONS ARE FOR!!!!!

While Mutilate itemized to perfection will without a doubt out DPS combat on raw dps bosses. I feel that it would be much better in your case and in many cases to simply stay combat. Seeing how you are mostly geared for it and would require an immense amount of upgrades to get on par with what you already have. But no matter what spec you choose to play in a raiding environment one thing is for sure you really need to work on your gemming. If you're going to play combat be sure to gem for the ArP soft cap. If you're going to play mutilate AP gems are the most common in gear while making sure you have enough hit rating to stay under the crit cap.

This is a pretty vague breakdown so if you need anything cleared up be sure to ask ill respond and try to give a better analysis.













-I don't have any say in recruitment but I really liked the app and attitude being projected from Jesse and not just the butt kissing =P

[Rohanna]

Thank you muchly for the input Unlucky!