[Sobeyet]

Don't mean to nag, but I only got credit for one strat between Sindragosa/Lich King. I'm assuming we can win multiple times since Rohanna won for Gunship/Council. Thanks!

[Wrathblood]

I thought people could only win one. Solar wrote like 4 and only got credit for one, as I recall.

[Sobeyet]

Wrathblood, on 09 February 2010 - 01:41 PM, said:

I thought people could only win one. Solar wrote like 4 and only got credit for one, as I recall.

So did I, but: http://dkp.heresiarc...hp?name=Rohanna

01/31/10 Contest 50.00
12/10/09 Contest 50.00

I would have wrote my 2 strats regardless (always said I'd write em if no on else did) but I'm guessing the rules changed. Weren't officers even excluded from the contest at one point?

It would be nice to have some sort of notice when policy changes though. I don't want to stray too far into Loganbonus territory but it seems like this is the type of thing that should be made clear. If we are only allowed to win once, fortunately Ashley didn't pick up anything since she won the second time - but ideally there shouldn't be any doubt on whether the info is accurate or if people are getting special treatment.


While we're on the subject, I never did receive a response in this thread from an officer: http://www.heresiarc...pic/3907-12810/

So is there a time limit on how long we have to respond to invites now? Like I described in the other thread, Stab gave me time to finish my random heroic on one night and then I was blocked out of DKP the next night for not responding in the span of one invite. I could choose to just log off between calls, but they don't always come on the hour and I'd be taking just as long to get in the raid if people have to page me on vent to log on.

(A more asshole move would be to just say "hey I made my 3 calls, alt+f4" and not worry about it, but I do try to hang around in case I'm needed - one of the reasons I'm peeved at the way it turned out)

I'd also like some guidlines on what qualifies a person for DKP. In the example from 1/28, I had been on from 8:15 to 11:00, missed an invite, and did not receive DKP. Nuadaa logged on around 10:00, did 2 bosses in Ulduar, and received DKP. My personal opinion is that we really shouldn't nitpick over these kind of things (hey if you make a general effort you get DKP, even if you have to leave early, come in late, etc.) but if we are going to arbitrarily assign rules they should be clarified. If we're really going to be a stickler about making 3 calls there's no way Rohanna should have gotten DKP the two times she had family issues. But since she's the one doing DKP, I had no doubt in my mind that things would fall in her favor when it's in this gray area. (Even stated so in guild chat last week) Again, my personal preference is to be sympathetic to these situations and not haggle over it, but I do feel that there is some bias/inconsistency in a small number of cases.

One last comment: I noticed you guys ended up doing Ony on Sunday - I logged on at 8:01, asked in guild if we were doing anything (something to the effect of "Is the raid canceled or are we waiting for more people to log on"), and did not get a response. There were several officers on, and no one responded. I don't think every person was in the middle of something since Rystorm said "see you later Sobie" when I said I'll be back later. I understand that it was tough to plan around people being on, but a response like "Yup raid is canceled" (which apparently it wasn't) or "Hey check back at 8:30/9:00 I'm going to try and put something together" or "We're doing DKP calls on the hour until we know for sure, make sure you're on at 9" would let me plan for these things.

[Shardik]

First off, the reason you didn't get DKP for the Ulduar night was cause you declined the invite. I sent you an invite cause we needed someone, you declined, you also made a comment as to not wanting to do Hard Mode Mim around the same time as you declined the invite. So from my spot it looked like you didn't feel like wiping to Hard Mode mim and thus didnt want to come tonight. If that wasn't the case then so be it. However that is what it looked like from where I was sitting. I am not going to spend more than a few minutes trying to find a replacement for someone, not going to go through and ask each person if they are ready and what have you. If we can, sure we will give you time to finish a heroic, complete a quest or what have you. Didn't know that was what you were doing if that is the case this time. I rarely ever read chat while I am trying to invite/get the raid setup.

Second, as for last Sunday, the raid was canceled since we didn't have enough people to show up to do anything aside from Ony. We started Ony at a little after 8 with less than 25 people. If you logged on while we were killing her then you weren't in the raid. We did exactly one call that night and those who were in the raid got it. Also, if you log in late why are you not just whispering me with the word "invite"? Even if we are full at least you would be able to see it. Instead of just saying "well I said something and no one responded."

Third, the whole reason we put the "3 calls" into effect was to fix the people just staying around for some of the raid night and then just leaving early. If someone logs in at 10 and helps us out they should be getting DKP, since they are helping us out. If a person logs in at 10 and DOESN'T help us with the raid, they should not get DKP for the night since they were 1) Late, and 2) Didn't help us in the raid at all.

Fourth, The strats were suppose to be 1 per person. So even if you made more than one, you could one win once. Perfect example is, as Wrath said, Solarshot. He made several strats and only won for one of them.

If there are errors in how things are being done, either on purpose or due to miscommunication, please bring them up so they can be solved.

[Rohanna]

"Fourth, The strats were suppose to be 1 per person. So even if you made more than one, you could one win once. Perfect example is, as Wrath said, Solarshot. He made several strats and only won for one of them. "

Apparently I misunderstood this I thought it was 1 per person per 'contest' and we did a new 'contest' every 2 weeks when the new bosses were launched.
If I am wrong about this... I will remove my second DKP.

I would also like to note Solar only 'won' 2 of the strat contest which happened to be in the same week. Even though he did write a lot there were other peoples who had better ones.

[Rohanna]

There I fixed it for you Sobe I removed myself from Thursdays raid and the second contest...
Even though I am the one who managed to do the 3 NRT calls... I definetly wasn't at the raid for DKP.

[Shardik]

If we have awarded the bonus to people twice for giving two strats thats fine. Then keep them as is and add the second one for sob. There isn't a need to remove yourself from Thursdays raid since you were there around 9ish and did three DKP calls afterwards.

I think the point Sob was trying to make was the inconsistency in that we awarded two contests to one person, to you and then not to him when he was the only one who put two strats together for Sindra and LK. I hope that I clarified anything else that he thought was unfair. If not all he needs to do is bring it up and I will address it.

[Sobeyet]

Dornak, on 09 February 2010 - 02:56 PM, said:

First off, the reason you didn't get DKP for the Ulduar night was cause you declined the invite. I sent you an invite cause we needed someone, you declined, you also made a comment as to not wanting to do Hard Mode Mim around the same time as you declined the invite. So from my spot it looked like you didn't feel like wiping to Hard Mode mim and thus didnt want to come tonight. If that wasn't the case then so be it. However that is what it looked like from where I was sitting. I am not going to spend more than a few minutes trying to find a replacement for someone, not going to go through and ask each person if they are ready and what have you. If we can, sure we will give you time to finish a heroic, complete a quest or what have you. Didn't know that was what you were doing if that is the case this time. I rarely ever read chat while I am trying to invite/get the raid setup.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I didn't decline the invite, it expired while I was dicking around with the JC daily. I forget if you get the same message from someone actually pressing "decline" vs having it expire. I do remember making the comment about Mim, but in my defense I make jokes like that all the time (as do others, lolsarth3d). But seriously, I'd hope that I've been in the guild long enough for people to know that I'm not one to dodge raids - especially when I took Stab's place the night before in Ulduar because he asked.

Dornak, on 09 February 2010 - 02:56 PM, said:

Second, as for last Sunday, the raid was canceled since we didn't have enough people to show up to do anything aside from Ony. We started Ony at a little after 8 with less than 25 people. If you logged on while we were killing her then you weren't in the raid. We did exactly one call that night and those who were in the raid got it. Also, if you log in late why are you not just whispering me with the word "invite"? Even if we are full at least you would be able to see it. Instead of just saying "well I said something and no one responded."

When I logged on at 8:01 (I made a point to look at the time because it was during halftime of the SB) I noticed we didn't have enough people to raid. There was something like 28 people on, and less than 20 were non-friend rank (with 6 or 7 raiders on alts). I even looked to see if there was a concentration of people in Icecrown/Storm Peaks, and there was not. No one was in Ony or even Dustwallow Marsh. The reason I ask in guild chat is that instead of peppering individual people who may be busy with tells, I get a broad audience and whoever is free can answer (Doesn't even have to be an officer, if an officer said something at 7:58 before I logged on a regular raider fill me in). I also try to avoid sending tells right around raid time since I know the officers may have a lot of stuff going on around then. And it's not like I said something, stayed on for 30 seconds, and demanded people respond asap. I logged on, took a look at who was online, asked (Morb was on his rogue saying he was busy watching the Who), waited a few mins, drove by Inno in Dalaran (she commented about my OP set bonus), blew her a kiss, and then said I'd be back later. If there was any sign that we were running something, I would have gladly stuck around. If whispering people is the preferred method, that's what I'll do going forward.

Dornak, on 09 February 2010 - 02:56 PM, said:

Third, the whole reason we put the "3 calls" into effect was to fix the people just staying around for some of the raid night and then just leaving early. If someone logs in at 10 and helps us out they should be getting DKP, since they are helping us out. If a person logs in at 10 and DOESN'T help us with the raid, they should not get DKP for the night since they were 1) Late, and 2) Didn't help us in the raid at all.

Thanks for the clarification. One follow-up: If a person is on at 8, in the raid for an hour, and has to leave at 9, would the person still be eligible for DKP? There have been times where I'm not feeling well on a Wed/Thu but I stuck around because I didn't want to have us 24-manning something if a replacement wasn't available. And to be clear, the intent wouldn't be to "game" the system by saying "haha, I can bail whenever and still get DKP" but more of the one-off situations.

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Fourth, The strats were suppose to be 1 per person. So even if you made more than one, you could one win once. Perfect example is, as Wrath said, Solarshot. He made several strats and only won for one of them.

If there are errors in how things are being done, either on purpose or due to miscommunication, please bring them up so they can be solved.
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Ashley explained the mix-up in her post, but that's where the confusion was. It's tough to bring these up without sounding confrontational or making it sound like a personal attack (I had to reword that last post like 4 times), so I hope this thread didn't come off like that.

[Rohanna]

As for the calls, if you stay exactly an hour and make 1 call and leave I have never given anyone DKP for this... no matter why it is they left.
However a few times Revolt has like 2ish hours 2.5 hours in I have given him DKP if he is leaving for family issues (he is the only example I can think of).
That being said if we didn't have someone to replace him then I wouldn't have given him the DKP when he left, no matter the reason of his leaving.

[Wrathblood]

Sobe, yeah, letting an invite expire sends the message "the invite has been declined". So, you might not have "declined" the invite per se, but without communication back to Shardik, that's how it would have looked like to him. While in theory he could have noted that the decline occurred exactly 2 min after he sent the invite and thus there was a good chance it had expired rather than actually been rejected, I suspect it was about 20th on his list of things to think about at that moment. So, to him it looked like you'd declined it without comment and he moved on.