[Serror]

IMO


Don't want Inno lusting in our raids.
Also, you called me a dick.

[Unlucky]

[Innocence]

Serror, on 16 January 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

IMO
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Don't want Inno lusting in our raids.
Also, you called me a dick.

I meant it as affectionately as I could possibly have meant it, without invokeing jealousrageashley <3



and, wtf Unluckylol lol

[Rohanna]

I don't get jealous... -.-

[Puddingcup]

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[quote name='Sobeyet' date='16 January 2010 - 11:52 AM' timestamp='1263660768' post='23062']
I'm gonna be focusing more on minimizing my movement now, thinks like you had mentioned in another thread the difference between taking 10 steps left when you only need to take 5.


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I think it's less about how far you run and more about what you do while you're running. I don't know how ele shamans work exactly but stuff like spamming flame shock or w.e might have an instant dmg effect helps. I also try to shuffle/position myself between GCDs. Even if my dps was lower i'd usually have 2nd or 3rd dmg done because of this. It doesn't have much to do with dps time either. Class mechanics will probably limit you though. Hope this helps.

[Guinthel]

im not racist i just don't like people of other colour/nationality/religion/sexual orientation/nuadaa/good at spelling/better than me at making pancakes/asianface

wait....

[Sobeyet]

Oshibo, on 16 January 2010 - 08:42 PM, said:

I think it's less about how far you run and more about what you do while you're running. I don't know how ele shamans work exactly but stuff like spamming flame shock or w.e might have an instant dmg effect helps. I also try to shuffle/position myself between GCDs. Even if my dps was lower i'd usually have 2nd or 3rd dmg done because of this. It doesn't have much to do with dps time either. Class mechanics will probably limit you though. Hope this helps.

They're different parts of the same concept, but the distance you travel does have an effect. Blizz designed all ranged classes to not to have maximum DPS while moving (because that would be unfair to melee in PvP). Sure you may be able to use a GCD or two effectively while moving, but you still can't maximize your damage if you have to run a lot. For most classes it's all about making the most out of your globals, and running for an extra 0.5 secs can mean the difference. I've written this before, but if a hunter is 0.5 secs late in reacting, he's already doing 33% less DPS than he should. I've been in raids with competitive DPS where I've dropped from 2nd to 7th in DPS just typing out a long tell.

[Interruption]

i STILL cant believe its not butter!

[Puddingcup]

I was thinking more along the lines of finding a loop hole. I can spam one of my dots (probably not intended when designed and mana costly) for the 30% instant of the full duration. Since i'm raid buffed it doesn't hurt my mana. *shrug*

[Sobeyet]

Oshibo, on 17 January 2010 - 02:06 AM, said:

I was thinking more along the lines of finding a loop hole. I can spam one of my dots (probably not intended when designed and mana costly) for the 30% instant of the full duration. Since i'm raid buffed it doesn't hurt my mana. *shrug*

So you're saying spamming DP is your highest DPS rotation? If that was the case you'd never use VT/MF/MB and you'd never have to stand still. It's not a loophole, even if the mana cost is negligible the price you're paying is the DPS you could be doing while raid buffed and standing still.

• Yes, you can use DP to do some damage while on the move.
• Yes, it's better than nothing.
• Unless DP (or other dots) fell off, that is still not an optimal use of a GCD (e.g., standing still and using MF/MB). It'd be great if dots were falling off every time you had to move, but you can't realistically expect that.
• The less you move, the faster you can go back to your regular rotation.

Going back to Forte, let's say Flame Shock didn't have a cooldown. So he could spam it while on the move. Would it be worth doing when he absolutely has to? Sure. Is it better than standing still and shooting LB? NFW.

Opportunity costs, dude. Opportunity costs.

[Forte]

Sobeyet, on 17 January 2010 - 08:32 AM, said:

Opportunity costs, dude. Opportunity costs.

I'll burn usually about 2 GCDs moving to where I need to be before I can stop and Pewpew. As an Ele shammy you have basically 4 options -

1) Refresh your Flameshock if it's running out soon
2) Frostshock if it's not
3) T-storm for some mana so you don't have to later (Encounter dependent, sometimes I don't have to t-storm at all)
4) Refresh Water shield, same reason as t-storm.

Shocks have a 6 second cooldown, so you basically get to pick between a Frost or Flame shock, then you're hitting mana regen spells. T-storm can tag the boss for a little damage but very rarely will you be close enough for that to happen.

[Innocence]

Frost shock when on the move, not flame shock

[Puddingcup]

Sobe i'm not going to spin out a rotation on the run. DP DP DP DP DP DP SWD DP DP DP DP

You pretty much just emphasized what I was saying in the first place though. Just reread my earlier post and pretend that it's assumed you wouldn't continue to run around spamming DP just because I said it's good to do while moving.
1. Move fast.
2. Until you actually do get to the position you need to be in as quickly as possible, DP DP DP DP

Look for the little filthy tricks you can do. Those things that you only know because you've been playing your spec for so fucking long it's ridiculous.

[Sobeyet]

Oshibo, on 16 January 2010 - 08:42 PM, said:

I think it's less about how far you run and more about what you do while you're running.

Your earlier post diminished the impact of distance. You can either cost yourself a GCD by not doing anything while moving, or by moving more than you have to - a lost GCD is a lost GCD. How far you run makes a difference. Just look at my DPS times compared to everyone else in the raid. Are you still going to try and argue that how far you move doesn't matter?

Perfect example, Rotface. You can either position yourself just off his center so you only have to move 2 yds (one GCD) or you can stand on the edge of his hitbox so you have to move +6 yds (2 GCDs). You can spam DP/SWD all you want running across but you're still losing more DPS by standing in the wrong spot.

Oshibo, on 17 January 2010 - 05:29 PM, said:

1. Move fast.

Unless you're RP walking or S-keying, you can't move any faster than you normally would. Unless "move fast" is your way of saying "don't move further than you have to" which is what I've been saying all along.

[Innocence]

Fort, on 17 January 2010 - 03:19 PM, said:

Sobeyet, on 17 January 2010 - 08:32 AM, said:

Opportunity costs, dude. Opportunity costs.

I'll burn usually about 2 GCDs moving to where I need to be before I can stop and Pewpew. As an Ele shammy you have basically 4 options -

1) Refresh your Flameshock if it's running out soon
2) Frostshock if it's not
3) T-storm for some mana so you don't have to later (Encounter dependent, sometimes I don't have to t-storm at all)
4) Refresh Water shield, same reason as t-storm.

Shocks have a 6 second cooldown, so you basically get to pick between a Frost or Flame shock, then you're hitting mana regen spells. T-storm can tag the boss for a little damage but very rarely will you be close enough for that to happen.

My frost shock and flame shock have a 4 second cooldown


forte, you do play ele shaman, rite? <3

[Puddingcup]

I see no point in playing semantics. Just pretend I never said anything about moving distance or positioning and that my main point was to figure out what you can do while running. Seems like Forte understood what I was saying and responded with some sort of contribution. Thanks bro