[Sobeyet]

Guinthel, on Oct 11 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

I used no script for a while there, and it pissed me off to no ends, always having to disable it to click on links or play gifs or something... How important is it to have noscript while running FF?

I'd say +90% of my browsing is on sites I regularly visit so noscript doesn't bother me after the first time. Just nice to cover my ass for the random links people send me.

[Daloc]

Guinthel, on Oct 11 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

I used no script for a while there, and it pissed me off to no ends, always having to disable it to click on links or play gifs or something... How important is it to have noscript while running FF?

You are aware you could allow websites right? So if you trust a website, you click on the icon at the lower left and pick "Allow www.tallasianporn.com" and all scripts directly coming from that websites will run. It usually takes me about a week to set it up how I like it. It's like a firewall that way, I dunno why you wouldn't want to run it unless you were ungodly lazy.

[Innocence]

Daloc, on Oct 11 2009, 09:37 AM, said:

We already had this discussion, where I think I called you stupid and we didn't talk to eachother for like three days.

That being said, the reason Firefox is better than IE are as follows:

Adblock- Removes roughly 75% of ads across the internet. Anything that it doesn't catch, you right click on and pick adblock annnnndd it's gone. Also handy for forums where people will spontaneously imglink goatse. You can use adblock to not load any images with a certain URL, including the use of wildcards.

If it were a feature I had known about I might have used it, being that it's an add-on/plugin I wouldn't really say it's fair to count it as a part of firefox. I'm not really sure how it works, but suppose the developer for that add-on stops developing it and firefox releases an update that it no longer runs on. Thats like saying world of warcraft is better than Everquest because World of Warcraft has X-mod that at the drop of a hat(Or patch, literally) may no longer work any more. From what another of my friends has told me, my idea of how this works may not entirely be true, but if it's so good, why isn't it a core feature of firefox? why is it a third-party add-on/plugin that must be gone and gotten? or is my understanding of this feature incorrect? When I downloaded firefox, a lot of add-ons I grabbed to use informed me that they would not function on this version of firefox. So that's where I'm getting that idea from.

I wont argue it's usefulness though, I will say that. Most ads do not bother me, the ones that talk/make noise and/or jump out and fill up your screen forcing you to hit the 'x' are the most annoying to me. As far as security goes, like I said before, i'm not really worried about it based entirely on my experiance with browing the internet and having zero security issues in years. No Malware, no uninvited spam, no nothing.

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Noscript- What len said. Malicious code is like the Vietcong, just sitting in the grass waiting to jump out and stab you if you even enter the website. Drive-by downloading is a really common way of getting malware onto a PC and ...

How common? Can you quote me a source and cite me some statistics?

again, I haven't had a problem with this in years.

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...without a solid block against it there's really nothing you can do.

Except I haven't run across any in...years. So what you really should've said is 'there's nothing you have to do' because if it's not broken, don't fix it? This is why it's so hard for me to wrap my mind around all these things that you guys keep claiming is wrong with Internet Exlorer.

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I started using Chrome, it's fast, but it doesn't have a good adblock or noscript, so I switched back.

As for IE, most of the IE is shit stems from IE6, which still holds roughly 25% of the browser market. It's complete and utter shit, and if you are using it, you should be shot without trial. It doesn't support basically any new developments in the world of HTML/CSS. It still has security holes in it, which have been fixed in 7 and 8, but most people using it are computer-inept (They don't know to upgrade), stupid (same reason), or businesses (upgrading to new things can cause problems, they don't like that) so they won't upgrade.

I stay away from IE like the plague, but I think you're using 7 (Or maybe 8, if you've kept windows update on.)

Edit: But really, if you ARE using IE6, upgrade IMMEDIATELY. The internet will thank you and I won't have to come to your house with a rifle.\
Edit2: I just noticed on the browser numbers I looked at, Firefox has the newer version with a higher market share than an older version, IE is the other way IE goes 6->7->8, firefox is 3.5->3.0

I am using 7. You're of course entitled to your opinion Dalok, use what ever browser you want, But fuck you if you want to call me stupid and tell me I should be shot based entirely off what Internet Browser I use. In texas there was a running joke through out most of my childhood that Chevrolette or Dodge were always better than Ford("Found On Road Dead" or "Fix Or Repair Daily" sound familiar?) but in all my life, iI've never seen a brand new ford, dodge or chevy just fall apart after it rolled off the construction line, and most of them run for 10 or twenty years if maintained, bad stereotype is bad. If Ford's were really that bad, would they be a major car company in the world? Fuck No. My point is this, your opinion is entirely valid and fine, but it is in no way fact so please stop playing it off like it is one. It makes you look like an uneducated twit. (See what I did there?)

[Sobeyet]

Daloc, on Oct 11 2009, 01:18 PM, said:

"Allow www.tallasianporn.com" and all scripts directly coming from that websites will run.

Please do, I could use the traffic.

Innocence, on Oct 11 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

but in all my life, iI've never seen a brand new ford, dodge or chevy just fall apart after it rolled off the construction line, and most of them run for 10 or twenty years if maintained, bad stereotype is bad. If Ford's were really that bad, would they be a major car company in the world?

American cars are the IEs of the automotive world. If you can't afford European, buy Japanese. Pzlate. Also, GM is still a major car company. Y'know, after they took $50 billion of our money and still filed for Chapter 11.

[Daloc]

Innocence, on Oct 11 2009, 01:32 PM, said:

If it were a feature I had known about I might have used it, being that it's an add-on/plugin I wouldn't really say it's fair to count it as a part of firefox. I'm not really sure how it works, but suppose the developer for that add-on stops developing it and firefox releases an update that it no longer runs on. Thats like saying world of warcraft is better than Everquest because World of Warcraft has X-mod that at the drop of a hat(Or patch, literally) may no longer work any more. From what another of my friends has told me, my idea of how this works may not entirely be true, but if it's so good, why isn't it a core feature of firefox? why is it a third-party add-on/plugin that must be gone and gotten? or is my understanding of this feature incorrect? When I downloaded firefox, a lot of add-ons I grabbed to use informed me that they would not function on this version of firefox. So that's where I'm getting that idea from.

I wont argue it's usefulness though, I will say that. Most ads do not bother me, the ones that talk/make noise and/or jump out and fill up your screen forcing you to hit the 'x' are the most annoying to me. As far as security goes, like I said before, i'm not really worried about it based entirely on my experiance with browing the internet and having zero security issues in years. No Malware, no uninvited spam, no nothing.


How common? Can you quote me a source and cite me some statistics?

again, I haven't had a problem with this in years.



Except I haven't run across any in...years. So what you really should've said is 'there's nothing you have to do' because if it's not broken, don't fix it? This is why it's so hard for me to wrap my mind around all these things that you guys keep claiming is wrong with Internet Exlorer.



I am using 7. You're of course entitled to your opinion Dalok, use what ever browser you want, But fuck you if you want to call me stupid and tell me I should be shot based entirely off what Internet Browser I use. In texas there was a running joke through out most of my childhood that Chevrolette or Dodge were always better than Ford("Found On Road Dead" or "Fix Or Repair Daily" sound familiar?) but in all my life, iI've never seen a brand new ford, dodge or chevy just fall apart after it rolled off the construction line, and most of them run for 10 or twenty years if maintained, bad stereotype is bad. If Ford's were really that bad, would they be a major car company in the world? Fuck No. My point is this, your opinion is entirely valid and fine, but it is in no way fact so please stop playing it off like it is one. It makes you look like an uneducated twit. (See what I did there?)

Because if someone is using Internet Explorer 6, they ARE stupid. It's -years- out of date, and is holding back web development because it won't die. Web developers are now starting to make it so their website won't work for people using Internet Explorer 6, or have limited functionality. Of course a brand new ford hasn't fallen apart straight off the assembly line. But that one rusting out in the yard with no tires annoying the fuck out of your neighbors who are trying to improve their property value is.

My opinion is that firefox is better than IE (because of the addons), the -fact- is that firefox (and internet explorer 7 and 8) are massive leaps ahead in front of IE6 in security and content support. That is not an opinion.

As for noscript, concievably Firefox could have an update where it would stop working, or it could stop being developed. Until then, I'll enjoy it's protection. It's not, strictly speaking, a part of firefox, although is basically the biggest selling point for firefox. Period. So by ignoring them you're ignoring why the majority of people use it.

As for drive-by malware,
http://www.itwire.co...iew/26114/1231/
http://www.viruslist...pubid=204792067
http://www.techzoom....curity-iceberg/
http://blogs.zdnet.c...ecurity/?p=1361
http://blog.metasploit.com/2006/07/interne...-shootings.html

There's 9.5 million results for it, and I stopped feeling like researching after 5.

Edit: And next time, you may want to actually read my post before you leap. I stated why I thought firefox was better, and then went into why everyone thinks IE is shit (That being Internet Explorer 6). And if you'll note, you don't use the browser that makes everyone thinks IE is shit. You in fact use one you're supposed to use.

You haven't had a malware or virus attack in years, guess why that is. You're using an updated browser, not the one I was talking about.

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Apart from IE6, which there IS something wrong with it, there's nothing necessarily wrong with Internet Explorer. It's just that Firefox has addons, which make it better. Would you rather play WoW without addons? Because that's what you're doing pretty much.

[Rohanna]

Ford has moon roofs instead of sun roofs cause your too embarassed to drive them during the day....

Wait..
-.-
Hmmm

[Innocence]

Sobeyet, on Oct 11 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

American cars are the IEs of the automotive world. If you can't afford European, buy Japanese. Pzlate. Also, GM is still a major car company. Y'know, after they took $50 billion of our money and still filed for Chapter 11.

Was more talking about the past, not the recent badness. If I could afford a European car, I'd buy one, I currently use a japanese car, so. peace.

The example I had hoped to set up was that those things were personal preference barked by fanboys as facts without any basis for a claim.

Same reason I have a hard time geting into football. How the hell do you pick a favorite team? what're the differences? It just doesn't make sence to me.

Daloc, on Oct 11 2009, 01:40 PM, said:

Because if someone is using Internet Explorer 6, they ARE stupid. It's -years- out of date, and is holding back web development because it won't die. Web developers are now starting to make it so their website won't work for people using Internet Explorer 6, or have limited functionality. Of course a brand new ford hasn't fallen apart straight off the assembly line. But that one rusting out in the yard with no tires annoying the fuck out of your neighbors who are trying to improve their property value is.

That makes me sad. I'm pretty much with you on that then, I suppose. Older, flawed, outdated software is FTL.

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My opinion is that firefox is better than IE (because of the addons), the -fact- is that firefox (and internet explorer 7 and 8) are massive leaps ahead in front of IE6 in security and content support. That is not an opinion.

As for drive-by malware,
http://www.itwire.co...iew/26114/1231/
http://www.viruslist...pubid=204792067
http://www.techzoom....curity-iceberg/
http://blogs.zdnet.c...ecurity/?p=1361
http://blog.metasploit.com/2006/07/interne...-shootings.html

There's 9.5 million results for it, and I stopped feeling like researching after 5.

Edit: And next time, you may want to actually read my post before you leap. I stated why I thought firefox was better, and then went into why everyone thinks IE is shit (That being Internet Explorer 6). And if you'll note, you don't use the browser that makes everyone thinks IE is shit. You in fact use one you're supposed to use.

You haven't had a malware or virus attack in years, guess why that is. You're using an updated browser, not the one I was talking about.

I'm pretty sure in all arguements you've made against Internet explorer up until this point, primarily speaking about our conversations on vent, you never specified Version 6, you just said "Internet explorer is bad". If I could give you exact quotes I would, but I can't because I don't remember them.

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As for noscript, concievably Firefox could have an update where it would stop working, or it could stop being developed. Until then, I'll enjoy it's protection. It's not, strictly speaking, a part of firefox, although is basically the biggest selling point for firefox. Period. So by ignoring them you're ignoring why the majority of people use it.

I wasn't exactly ignoreing these features, I did not know they existed, so i guess you could call that ignorance, but it's not like they advertised for it(or maybe they did and I did not notice it). I wonder how many other people use firefox unaware of these add-ons.



I do not hate firefox, I think it's a great program. I am just more comfortable using IE, it's what I've always used, I know how to use it and there are portions of the interface that I like. Rarely if ever do I come across websites that it does not load properly(the most recent one was an underbuget charity website designed on a mac, if that gives any indication to how few websites actually wont run propperly on IE) I think some where I read a statistic that IE is supposed to be capable of running 99% of all websites on earth and so far that's pretty accurate. In my time using firefox, i ran across a few that did not display correctly(Not many, but not as few as IE), had portions of its code out of order and when I opened them on IE, they ran fine. Combined with that snaffu over java/flash based websites fucking up badly, I just saw no reason to continue messing with firefox, when IE would run just as fine.

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Apart from IE6, which there IS something wrong with it, there's nothing necessarily wrong with Internet Explorer. It's just that Firefox has addons, which make it better. Would you rather play WoW without addons? Because that's what you're doing pretty much.

going to get that framed.



and I would rather play wow without addons, I wish the in game map was as interactive as carbonite makes it, i wish the bars were as customizable as dominos makes them, I wish you could move the anchor for tool tips. There are three that are required for raiding with heresiarch. Each day I get closer and closer to uninstalling recount because it's just a destraction that I care less and less about. I could do without Event Horizon(I barely pay attention to it) I wish there was an option for displaying huge numbers instead of the default filled shaded animation that represents cooldowns(OmniCC).

I can play wow without addons just fine how ever and I have in the past, it's just a mater of preference and I when I hear about some one playing wow without addons, i don't immediatly claim they should be burned at the stake.

on the flipside, IE is how I like it, so I don't necessarily need addons for it. Being that I never used any addons with firefox(the one time I did go looking for addons, as I said before, most of them turned up out dated and unusable, so i just gave it up) I might have something to say on it, but I didn't so I dont.

[Muen]

Tying browser to OS = bad.

See null-prefix stuff making the news (still unpatched in IE)... http://seclists.org/...ure/2009/Oct/87

[Kimina]

Serror, on Oct 11 2009, 12:37 AM, said:

I use chrome, actually.

QFT.