[Puddingcup]

I play 14/0/57 Shadow and yea, it's a pretty cookie cutter spec. There isn't much room to make your own decisions and everything is completely obvious whether or not you should get it. There is this little trick that the good spriests use... since Shadow Word: Pain refreshes on Mind Flay ticks, you should wait until you build up 5 stacks of Shadow Weaving (10% more shadow dmg) and maybe use a Pot of Wild Magic or even have some spellpower procs on when it happens. This way you have a most powerful SW:P on throughout the fight unless you have to switch targets and reset it. I've been raiding as shadow since the release of Ulduar

Discuss your talents and tell us how long you have been this particular spec:
Tell us about your spec. Why did you pick what you did? Is your spec cookie cutter? Do you know some secret we don't? Show us you have an understanding of your talents and you didn't just close your eyes and click all over your screen hoping for the best.

Ventrilo and do you have a mic:
Yes and I do have a mic

Typical Weekly Playtime:
I can make most raids. I may occasionally take a night off to go to tutoring if I have an exam coming up.


Time Zone:
Central


Previous Guilds:
<Apocalyptic> on Exodar

Previous Raiding Experience:
I've cleared all content in WotLK excluding ToGC with a few 25 man Ulduar hardmodes, which include Hodir, FL+4, and Yogg+3

Why are you applying to us:
I found you on guildprogress.com while aimlessly wandering around for a horde guild to apply to where my friend and I can server xfer to (we're on separate servers at the moment). I like your progression because i'm right on par with it. You're not one of those guilds with ToGC 4/5 but your progression is still something to be respected .

Link us your Armory:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ar&n=Oshibo

Wow web stats reports:
The only ones up right now in our guild forums are from us failing on grand crusader beasts so i'd be too embarassed to link it

Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
Nope

Tell us a bit about yourself:
My name is Phil, and i'm a 19-year-old engineering student at Texas A&M Uni. I'm mostly passive as a follower; even so, I expect to be respected by those I follow and my peers as much as they wish to respected themselves. I like to throw in my 2c on boss strats even if it's a dumb idea... as long as the option is out there for debate.
Raiding is my hobby. It's what I do! I don't care if it's progression, farm, or what... as long as it's not naxx, i'm having fun. I also LOVE arenaing. Maybe as much as I love raiding.
Personality-wise, as you can see I have a wierd thing with being grammatically correct when I type. I don't even know why... I just like to, haha. I pretty much hate it when people look down on me when I join a new guild. It's not like my epeen is huge or anything, there's always that one guy that wants to step on it. Preserve my epeen please! Oh yea, back to the personality thing... it's a strong point to be made for me not to get defensive over criticism. I take all advice into consideration and 100% of the time return a counterpoint, or say simply agree. Some people take that stuff so seriously =/
About time to wrap this up... accept me!

P.S. my friend plays a hunter as any spec and he has on par gear with myself so you should see his app up as well some time soon.

[Nuadaa]

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Wow web stats reports:
The only ones up right now in our guild forums are from us failing on grand crusader beasts so i'd be too embarassed to link it

Heroic Target dummie + screenshot?


Over all I like the app, You sound like you know what your doing and know What you want.
Good choice of perfections, which are almost maxed out ^^ Did you just switch them out? or just lazy with them?

[Sobeyet]

Nice app, even for a nelf. I'd still be interested in the log if you have it; even partials from wipe nights are better than nothing. To me a recount log of dummy DPS is pretty much useless.

One caveat about the arena though - the pvp here is dreadful. If you take it even semi-seriously you'll probably be disappointed. Look forward to reading the hunter's app.

[Rohanna]

25 Hard Mode

He wasnt there the whole time so its hard to tell

Yogg 3 Lights

Had much more time on this log, looks like he does well.

[Karela]

Talents/glyphs check out. Sons of Hodir exalted. Chosen professions are the best you can have (no ring enchants?). Achievements support your claimed raiding experience.

If you decide to faction transfer and join us you will have to make up the 1% hit you lose form not having a draenei in the raid which it seems like you have already done.

You have an excess of spirit because of your staff and would benefit more from the bonus spellpower of a main-hand/off-hand combo. I am sympathetic to drop rates, just saying what you probably already know.

It is good that you know the shadowweaving trick. If you aquire trinkets that build up slower than your opener, like Eye of the Broodmother and Illustration of the Dragon Soul, you can just reapply SWP manually to gain the full benefit (most fights are semi-mobile and it is best to blow the gcd when moving).

I'd like to know what else you know about shadowpriests: our spell prioritization, how it changes with the transition from tier 8 to tier 9, and see you against a dummy. I am going to assume that if you can do more than 3k dps, preferably 3.2-3.5k, on a target dummy that you know what you are doing.

I am not the ranged dps officer anymore due to a hiatus. If you want to talk to a person in charge of the caster DPS but doesn't know anything about shadowpriests, talk to Rystorm.

[Sobeyet]

Rohanna, on Oct 7 2009, 03:39 PM, said:

25 Hard Mode

He wasnt there the whole time so its hard to tell

Yogg 3 Lights

Had much more time on this log, looks like he does well.

Thanks. Stood in fire a couple of times on Beasts. Seems allergic to healthstones. On the 3 long Yogg attempts (+10 min) DPS was kind of meh. Did a nice job on Hodir, decent flash freeze damage and overall numbers.

Attendance seems kind of sparse going by the logs though; not sure if it's something out of his hands (they do have a number of spriests) or flakiness.

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

hiatus

Tease.

[Puddingcup]

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 02:56 PM, said:

Talents/glyphs check out. Sons of Hodir exalted. Chosen professions are the best you can have (no ring enchants?). Achievements support your claimed raiding experience.

If you decide to faction transfer and join us you will have to make up the 1% hit you lose form not having a draenei in the raid which it seems like you have already done.

You have an excess of spirit because of your staff and would benefit more from the bonus spellpower of a main-hand/off-hand combo. I am sympathetic to drop rates, just saying what you probably already know.

It is good that you know the shadowweaving trick. If you aquire trinkets that build up slower than your opener, like Eye of the Broodmother and Illustration of the Dragon Soul, you can just reapply SWP manually to gain the full benefit (most fights are semi-mobile and it is best to blow the gcd when moving).

I'd like to know what else you know about shadowpriests: our spell prioritization, how it changes with the transition from tier 8 to tier 9, and see you against a dummy. I am going to assume that if you can do more than 3k dps, preferably 3.2-3.5k, on a target dummy that you know what you are doing.

I am not the ranged dps officer anymore due to a hiatus. If you want to talk to a person in charge of the caster DPS but doesn't know anything about shadowpriests, talk to Rystorm.

I'm currently leveling my enchanting. 43 more until ring enchants! Spriest hit cap is 289 w/o draenei and 264 with it and at the moment i'm 285 I believe. As far as my weapon choice, with patch 3.2.2 Twisted Faith (10% spi to sp) became 20% so it's a bit more useful to have. Having spirit will never be a hinderance but you are correct, I wish I could have a 245 MH/OH set instead. I'm trying to lower my haste but the itemization on a lot of caster gear from Ulduar and TOC seems to just have heaps of it.

Concerning my attendence, we do have 4 shadow priests and they try to keep us equally geared so I often get benched after a few bosses and maybe brought in later. We go over which priest needs something off certain bosses.

Gormok was my LOL moment. That night everyone else could see it just fine but the fire just wasn't showing up for me so I ran into it quite a bit while getting out of other fires when DBM went off. Was no bueno.

The target dummy... most people know that shadow priest is one of the lower dps specs despite the recent buff in 3.2.2. I do however manage to pull my weight. I'm consistantly 1st or 2nd out of the 4 priests and I do 3.7k on a target dummy after 3 minutes of pewpew. <---- Willing to prove if needed.

"It is good that you know the shadowweaving trick. If you aquire trinkets that build up slower than your opener, like Eye of the Broodmother and Illustration of the Dragon Soul, you can just reapply SWP manually to gain the full benefit (most fights are semi-mobile and it is best to blow the gcd when moving). " ALAS, if only I could have one of those trinkets! But yea, I know this as well. I have my addon announce when Sundial of the Exiled procs so I can reapply SW:P.

You asked about spell prioritization. My meters show that I favor Vampiric Touch while the others favor Mind Flay. With the new itemization procurring so much haste I figure I should have about 28-32% of my dps from Mind Flay, but from keeping full uptime with all 3 DoTs it just doesn't happen. A lot of it is situational though. On a fight such as Yogg with multiple targets it should be a given that i'll have more DoT dmg than from MF whereas on a fight such as Vezax, I would expect Mind Flay to be at the top. Unless the primary target needs to be a speedy kill, I tend to do some off-focus dps with VT and SWP. Like on Kologarn. I dps the chest and left arm at the same time. I read in a blue post that this is how shadow priest was intended to be played and I agree. Sometimes I like to start on X rather than skull to get all of your DoTs set up and then switch to skull for Mind Blast and Flay. I'm not stupid enough to do this in all cases, but again, so many things in this game are purely situational.


Oh yea! About the healthstones. With Vampiric Embrace up I hardly find any need to use them and save them only if i'm sure I need to. Though that is something I need to think about more often. I die too often without it being used.

[Wrathblood]

I thought the shadowweaving trick didn't work on +spellpower procs and buffs (because it recalculates the spellpower damage every 2-3 seconds even if you're just refreshing with MF) but it DOES work with +crit procs and flat out +% damage buffs.

The general consensus on EJ seems to be that an SP's first priority is uptime on VT and DP (really should be 80+%, and if you're 90+% then you're doing quite well), then maxing out number of MBs, then MF kinda fills up the rest.

[Karela]

Sobeyet, on Oct 7 2009, 09:00 PM, said:

Thanks. Stood in fire a couple of times on Beasts. Seems allergic to healthstones. On the 3 long Yogg attempts (+10 min) DPS was kind of meh. Did a nice job on Hodir, decent flash freeze damage and overall numbers.

Attendance seems kind of sparse going by the logs though; not sure if it's something out of his hands (they do have a number of spriests) or flakiness.

Looks like they have three shadow priests from what the logs say. Wouldn't be surprised if he got sat. His damage on Hodir is defineatly competitive, especially considering how much damage he did to flash freezes.

On yogg his damage does seem to drop off. I wish I knew how to navigate world of logs better so I could see what he was doing during phase 3.

Also, at least my hiatus isn't like yours... you know, where you sold out and weren't actually taking a break and just playing with people that could get you proto-drakes.

[Puddingcup]

Wrathblood, on Oct 7 2009, 03:27 PM, said:

The general consensus on EJ seems to be that an SP's first priority is uptime on VT and DP (really should be 80+%, and if you're 90+% then you're doing quite well), then maxing out number of MBs, then MF kinda fills up the rest.

I've always felt that they should be pushed closer to 100% uptime. No reason to MB or MF without all DoTs up in my opinion.



BTW, we didn't have an ele shaman for that Yogg attempt which is the largest factor in my raid buffs. That may account for lower dps throughout that fight but other than that I really have no reason to explain, if my dps wasn't sufficient.

[Sobeyet]

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

Also, at least my hiatus isn't like yours... you know, where you sold out and weren't actually taking a break and just playing with people that could get you proto-drakes.

Hey I never called it a hiatus. I was planning on leaving you losers for good. But then I missed the Karela too much and came back; way to abandon me.

Oshibo, on Oct 7 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

BTW, we didn't have an ele shaman for that Yogg attempt which is the largest factor in my raid buffs. That may account for lower dps throughout that fight but other than that I really have no reason to explain, if my dps wasn't sufficient.

Not sure if I'd call it insufficient, but considering how well you did on Hodir it does seem like a drop-off. I still like the app and am satisfied with the explanation for the attendance.

[Karela]

Oshibo, on Oct 7 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

You asked about spell prioritization. My meters show that I favor Vampiric Touch while the others favor Mind Flay. With the new itemization procurring so much haste I figure I should have about 28-32% of my dps from Mind Flay, but from keeping full uptime with all 3 DoTs it just doesn't happen. A lot of it is situational though. On a fight such as Yogg with multiple targets it should be a given that i'll have more DoT dmg than from MF whereas on a fight such as Vezax, I would expect Mind Flay to be at the top. Unless the primary target needs to be a speedy kill, I tend to do some off-focus dps with VT and SWP. Like on Kologarn. I dps the chest and left arm at the same time. I read in a blue post that this is how shadow priest was intended to be played and I agree. Sometimes I like to start on X rather than skull to get all of your DoTs set up and then switch to skull for Mind Blast and Flay. I'm not stupid enough to do this in all cases, but again, so many things in this game are purely situational

Mindlfay tends to sit at about 40%-50% of my damage. I was more asking about general theory rather than contextual exceptions to the basic guidelines. I like that you are thinking about how you can maximize your dps. I'd say you'd be quite an addition to our roster.

Oshibo, on Oct 7 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

I've always felt that they should be pushed closer to 100% uptime. No reason to MB or MF without all DoTs up in my opinion.

100% uptime tends to be the goal but I know part of the reason it isn't always 100% is because of the census as to when to cut off mindlfay and how to regard MB. I'd rather let a dot fall off momentarily while waiting for my last tick of mind flay before refreshing. 80% seems a bit too lax though in my opinion but since MB is the highest damage spell for amount of time invested, they may be taking a lot more oppertunities to cast MB then I perhaps am... I can already smell an afternoon with me conducting and experiment and looking through parses with a training dummy...

Oshibo, on Oct 7 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

Oh yea! About the healthstones. With Vampiric Embrace up I hardly find any need to use them and save them only if i'm sure I need to. Though that is something I need to think about more often. I die too often without it being used.

VE heals like a monster and is the reason I don't drop in HP on Anubarak. I often forget the existence of my health stone too because when I usually feel I need it I just tend to drop a heal on myself. : /

Sobeyet, on Oct 7 2009, 09:41 PM, said:

Hey I never called it a hiatus. I was planning on leaving you losers for good. But then I missed the Karela too much and came back; way to abandon me.

Just returning the love.

[Sobeyet]

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 04:48 PM, said:

VE heals like a monster and is the reason I don't drop in HP on Anubarak. I often forget the existence of my health stone too because when I usually feel I need it I just tend to drop a heal on myself. : /

I probably wouldn't notice my HP if I didn't have to tap so damn much. Always good to keep the cookies it in the back of your head for spike damage though (lol Faction Champions).

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 04:48 PM, said:

Just returning the love.

Wait so you're playing for the top Asmodian legion in the US? Can you powerlevel my sorcerer?

[Karela]

Sobeyet, on Oct 7 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

Wait so you're playing for the top Asmodian legion in the US? Can you powerlevel my sorcerer?

I've actually not been playing. I've been working on my study and trying to not have an overly complicated health situation.

And sorcerers are lol-hax damage. It isn't like you can pussy out of it like priest leveling.

[Sobeyet]

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

I've actually not been playing. I've been working on my study and trying to not have an overly complicated health situation.

Still, last time I looked both you and Kev were way ahead of me. Carry me plox.

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

And sorcerers are lol-hax damage. It isn't like you can pussy out of it like priest leveling.

Don't tell me you're surprised I play a class that'll let me flex epeen about damage. Need to reduce the CD on sleep though, keep getting wtfpwned when it resists.

[Shardik]

I really like this app, well explained and thought out. I find it rare that Sobeyet didnt have his normal page and a half long comments to it. Hit me up in game on Shardik, would like to chat with you a tad more.

[Puddingcup]

I just read about this. http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t73364-shadow_...iscussion_totc/
I think i'm going to test out what they're saying about t9 itemization. Supposedly going 2pc dps t9 and 2pc healing t9 is BiS.

I'm also hearing that having a demo lock is even more beneficial to a raid than ToTW4 from ele shamans. I don't remember what it's called but apparently demo locks provide a +460 sp debuff and if you have a ret pally you can make up for the 3% crit if the ele shaman were to change his ToTW4 to something that benefits him more personally such as searing.

[Karela]

Oshibo, on Oct 7 2009, 10:54 PM, said:

I just read about this. http://elitistjerks.com/f77/t73364-shadow_...iscussion_totc/
I think i'm going to test out what they're saying about t9 itemization. Supposedly going 2pc dps t9 and 2pc healing t9 is BiS.

I'm also hearing that having a demo lock is even more beneficial to a raid than ToTW4 from ele shamans. I don't remember what it's called but apparently demo locks provide a +460 sp debuff and if you have a ret pally you can make up for the 3% crit if the ele shaman were to change his ToTW4 to something that benefits him more personally such as searing.

According to http://www.shadowpri...hp?f=62&t=22720, our set pieces still provide more dps than other when taking the bonuses into account. ilvl 258 shadow gear still often ranks as better dps then 258 holy gear with the addition of the set bonuses. However, if you are stuck at 245, it takes a lot of time and math to figure out what really is the best set to build. I have started doing this. My list of upgrades is compiled, now I just need to compare numerical values across each slot and find out what bring the highest dps benefit.

[Puddingcup]

Karela, on Oct 7 2009, 05:07 PM, said:

According to http://www.shadowpri...hp?f=62&t=22720, our set pieces still provide more dps than other when taking the bonuses into account. ilvl 258 shadow gear still often ranks as better dps then 258 holy gear with the addition of the set bonuses. However, if you are stuck at 245, it takes a lot of time and math to figure out what really is the best set to build. I have started doing this. My list of upgrades is compiled, now I just need to compare numerical values across each slot and find out what bring the highest dps benefit.

I believe going for 2pc crit and 2pc crit more than makes up for the 4set t9 bonus. I'll probably end up going for 3/5 shadow 2/5 holy but it in the end it could break down to whether or not i'd be hit capped in that gear without my hit trinket.

[Innocence]

fu not go to the same school as me!




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