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Discuss your talents and tell us how long you have been this particular spec:
main spec-bm:63/8 been using it since level 10 mostly to get sexy pets an to be able to run lower level through instances if need be
off spec-mm:5/61/5 been playing since shortly after hitting 80 always been my off spec took cause its the hunter raid spec and a high dps spec with mass crit potential
Ventrilo and do you have a mic:
yes have both comp has mic built in an always use headphones to cut back on feed back an out side interference when raiding or in vent in general
Typical Weekly Playtime:
stay at home parent so bout 6 hours minimum each day, usually on the most in the evenings an at night raiding till 6 in the morning server time not a prob
Time Zone:
-6 est(central time) 1 hour behind server time
Previous Guilds:
started with dragons breath on arthas the moved to nwo before the gm went nuts guild then broke up an formed soulbound an the gm started to lose what he want for the guild an started to target specific people that didn't think his way both where alliance guilds on arthas.
recently moved to drenden an switch back to horde with my hunter.
sorry for being long
Previous Raiding Experience:
Deconstructor- mt tank her up front
if you get a bomb on your get out and away from the raid or you will kill us all, light bombs go to the right other bomb go to the left if theres to many people in your way to do it just get away from every one i've seen to many groups go down to failure on this part
when the small pats come out range dps need to down them fast, larger pats ot just needs to hold them away from the raid an NO ONE DPS THEM! if the small pats reach her alot of our work so far will go to waste so we need to burn them down fast as hell(if not enough range people then use a few melee as needed not recommended but when push comes to shove it may be needed)
when her heart drops out dps it down
Why are you applying to us:
want to join a strong raiding guild cause i'm tired of wipe after wipe cause most the group aint got the skill or gear to do it.
so why not try to join one of the top horde guilds on the server
Link us your Armory:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...amp;n=Haraguroi
planing of switch one of my trinkets when darkmoon fair comes to town with the agil greatness card
Wow web stats reports:
cant say i got one to post up but on average when i'm slacking i average 2k dps in mm an pulled near 6k from burst damage in 10 onyx
Do you know anyone in guild? If so please list your pals.
cant say that i know any one in the guild
Tell us a bit about yourself:
22 23 come November, well versed with alot of class/specs/races, always wanting to find out how to take down any raid through trial an error an from other players.
easy going most the time, pretty easy to get along with, an i suck at telling jokes lol, most the time i let my skills in wow speak for them self's when it comes to in came
sorry bout the length but not big on throwing people into an unknown fire with out warning
haraguroi/hunter/ level 80
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 01:38 PM
0 KT/Malygos kills, 1-2 kills for 5 bosses in Ulduar (no watchers even on 10-man), 0 ToC kills.
Poor spec/glyphs (63/8?! /boggle). Gem choices all over the place.
Don't even have a comment for that one.
Poor spec/glyphs (63/8?! /boggle). Gem choices all over the place.
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 12:54 PM, said:
i average 2k dps in mm
Don't even have a comment for that one.
I am a raging elitist that has to not only grab all of the free attention ever available but grind peoples' faces in the sheer glory of how much better I am than them. Let me go find some screenshots to post that will prove I have worth...
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 01:48 PM
Sobeyet, on Sep 23 2009, 02:38 PM, said:
0 KT/Malygos kills, 1-2 kills for 5 bosses in Ulduar (no watchers even on 10-man), 0 ToC kills.
Poor spec/glyphs (63/8?! /boggle). Gem choices all over the place.
Don't even have a comment for that one.
Poor spec/glyphs (63/8?! /boggle). Gem choices all over the place.
Don't even have a comment for that one.
+4mp5 is gud for hunters! Duh Sobe
2k dps as MM? I do that on my 78 hunter... in S3 gear
Lack of raid experience - plus poor spec/gems
*I'm not an officer*
Cataia - 85 Human Warrior [Turalyon]
Drickzy - 85 Gnome Warlock [Turalyon]
Snugglekins - 85 Worgen Hunter [Turalyon]
Baredurid - 80 Night Elf Druid [Turalyon]
Drickzy - 80 Gnome Rogue [Cenarius]
Snugglekinz - 80 Tauren Shaman [Drenden]
Snuggleslutz - 80 Blood Elf Deathknight [Drenden]
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 02:34 PM
Rohanna, on Sep 23 2009, 03:07 PM, said:
What was your alliance toons name on Arthas?
this toon was alliance
an the 2k is what i'm averaging when i'm slacking in heroics, raids it's usualy sitting around 3-4k minimum
an the gems if i stack much more agility my crit will be sitting above 40% an already have a hard enough time keeping bosses off myself even with using misdirect...i've some how almost pulled agro off some of the requiem members in 25 voa and yes i am still working on a good gem combo so i can drop my haste in rapid fire to not be faster then the global cool down. shouldn't hunters be stacking ap, agil, and crit an yeah i have one mp5 alows for longer time in dragonhawk even after poping a pot should the need come up
...an yes i have some lag of raid xp cause i can never seem to get into a group good enough to do much past 10 nax...yeah i know it sucks but thats even with whole guild runs in the past an yes it drives my nuts
an yes my old guild on arthas did suck cause i was always sitting in top 4 for dps in all our raid when i wasn't using aoe's an other were
an if your armory'd me shortly after this post yes my glyphs sucked but i switched in chimera shot and kill shot and on my bm spec thats my questing spec i never use it for raids or heroics so no point in even looking at it really. it'd be like getting on a combat rogue that likes to use a diff spec for questing when they only use combat for raids.
yes i know i sound defensive but i always beleive that paper has no nothing to it when it come to a person or what they have in a game let they actions an skills peak for them selfs.
i say pug me some time if i'm not what you want thats cool an if you see a decent player that just needs a little smoothing around the edges cool
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 02:35 PM
Rohanna, on Sep 23 2009, 03:07 PM, said:
What was your alliance toons name on Arthas?
I think he's a faction transfer. Kind of implied in the app, but how many belfs do you know that's explored more of Elywnn Forest/Duskwood than Eversong Woods/Ghostlands?
Edit: Posted a min late, but I was right! Isn't armory great?
I am a raging elitist that has to not only grab all of the free attention ever available but grind peoples' faces in the sheer glory of how much better I am than them. Let me go find some screenshots to post that will prove I have worth...
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 02:50 PM
Sobeyet, on Sep 23 2009, 03:35 PM, said:
I think he's a faction transfer. Kind of implied in the app, but how many belfs do you know that's explored more of Elywnn Forest/Duskwood than Eversong Woods/Ghostlands?
Edit: Posted a min late, but I was right! Isn't armory great?
Edit: Posted a min late, but I was right! Isn't armory great?
yeah i am a transfer got tired of how crappy things always went when i played alliance never had issues in the past when i played horde...an got tired of the pvp server drama always going on so yeah i'm a faction an server switch
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:02 PM
all your gems are aiming towards a BM spec, but you say you raid as MM. Glyph wise for MM glyph of serpent sting is one of the top ones for you, not sure what latency you run at but above 300ish it > I think all others, definately need that over AS. Also for your spec alone it shows you running without rapid recuperation which is alot better to place one point there rather than concussive barrage... which is just terrible. Go for the throat is also like a 200-300 dps increase at LEAST. So take all 3 points out of HM put one there and other 2 in imp stings which is also a huge dps increase. Take 5 points out of Efficiency put 2 in focused fire, 2 in Survival instincts and one more in imp SS. Also assuming your pet you using regularly in raids is your wolf McBuffls, also other terrible dps talent choices. 2 out of natural armor and into cobra reflexes. One out of great stamina into avoidance and also take boar's speed and put in same place. Out of heart of pheonix and lick your wounds put them in avoidance and Rabid. OFC for mm spec you would have 4 less talents so take 2 out of shark attack and one from wild hunter / bloodthirsty. Atm it just seems like closed your eyes and started clicking random buttons on your talent screen for both you and your pets spec. Another thing, would be that MM imo isnt as viable a raid spec as survival until you get atleast a 226 weapon. Since most of your dmg is from chimera shot (weapon dmg based) and auto shot.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:28 PM
Solar, on Sep 23 2009, 04:02 PM, said:
all your gems are aiming towards a BM spec, but you say you raid as MM. Glyph wise for MM glyph of serpent sting is one of the top ones for you, not sure what latency you run at but above 300ish it > I think all others, definately need that over AS. Also for your spec alone it shows you running without rapid recuperation which is alot better to place one point there rather than concussive barrage... which is just terrible. Go for the throat is also like a 200-300 dps increase at LEAST. So take all 3 points out of HM put one there and other 2 in imp stings which is also a huge dps increase. Take 5 points out of Efficiency put 2 in focused fire, 2 in Survival instincts and one more in imp SS. Also assuming your pet you using regularly in raids is your wolf McBuffls, also other terrible dps talent choices. 2 out of natural armor and into cobra reflexes. One out of great stamina into avoidance and also take boar's speed and put in same place. Out of heart of pheonix and lick your wounds put them in avoidance and Rabid. OFC for mm spec you would have 4 less talents so take 2 out of shark attack and one from wild hunter / bloodthirsty. Atm it just seems like closed your eyes and started clicking random buttons on your talent screen for both you and your pets spec. Another thing, would be that MM imo isnt as viable a raid spec as survival until you get atleast a 226 weapon. Since most of your dmg is from chimera shot (weapon dmg based) and auto shot.
i hear you on my mm spec but my pet ...i've seen to many people go down to fast an to many healers fail at healing just the raid members that's why my wolf never attacks he just howls an buffs my ap... thus his name, to me hes just an extra buff thats it thats why i didn't focus anything on him but to be able to survive as long as i do
an to answer another question before it pops up, yes all my dps is just me alone an not a drop of dps is from my pet
an yes i know i need some work on my spec an stuff but till now i was the most knowledgeable person when it came to most things for specs and what not for any guild i was in which is why i'm also taking everything said here into consideration
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:40 PM
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 03:34 PM, said:
yes i know i sound defensive but i always beleive that paper has no nothing to it when it come to a person or what they have in a game let they actions an skills peak for them selfs.
Sure, but for someone that's supposedly well versed with a lot of classes you have a lot of misconceptions about how your main class works. Even if I disregard BM as your "playing around" spec your MM spec is way off. Class basics are easy enough to teach, but there has to be something to work with.
If you want to let your skill speak for itself, post a log of you pulling aggro off of tanks because your DPS is that amazing. I'd also be interested in seeing a screenshot of your UI to confirm some suspicions I have.
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 03:34 PM, said:
i say pug me some time if i'm not what you want thats cool an if you see a decent player that just needs a little smoothing around the edges cool
My guess is that you won't work out, but weirder things have happened. I get flashbacks of Iluvbush between your writing style and understanding of hunter mechanics, /shrug. If you think you need "a little smoothing around the edges" then show some initiative and fix the outstanding issues you have atm. Start with reading EJ, should be fine for getting the basics down.
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 04:28 PM, said:
my wolf never attacks he just howls an buffs my ap... thus his name, to me hes just an extra buff thats it thats why i didn't focus anything on him but to be able to survive as long as i do
I typed out the Iluvbush comparison before reading this. Yup, right on the mark. Most of the time pet deaths are preventable by pro play (aka wolf-in-fire-bad-wolf-out-of-fire-gud).
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 04:28 PM, said:
i was the most knowledgeable person when it came to most things for specs and what not for any guild i was in
Explains the lack of a Naxx clear at least. (Urge to troll rising...)
I am a raging elitist that has to not only grab all of the free attention ever available but grind peoples' faces in the sheer glory of how much better I am than them. Let me go find some screenshots to post that will prove I have worth...
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:42 PM
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 04:28 PM, said:
i hear you on my mm spec but my pet ...i've seen to many people go down to fast an to many healers fail at healing just the raid members that's why my wolf never attacks he just howls an buffs my ap... thus his name, to me hes just an extra buff thats it thats why i didn't focus anything on him but to be able to survive as long as i do
I LOL'd. I want to see one of sobeys comments on this so I'll leave it to him
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:47 PM
Solar, on Sep 23 2009, 04:42 PM, said:
I LOL'd. I want to see one of sobeys comments on this so I'll leave it to him
Been there done that, no point in typing the same thing twice.
mclovvin, on Jul 22 2009, 06:41 PM, said:
i dont do shit dps he doesnt add much to my dps his buffs do more for me then him doing dps and dying
Sobeyet, on Jul 22 2009, 09:11 PM, said:
At an absolute minimum your pet will give you an extra 1k DPS. If you're playing perfect, it's actually closer to 2k. If you're missing 2k DPS from your maximum potential, you're doing shit DPS.
You're right that having your wolf sit there and give you Furious Howl will be more DPS than sending the pet in and having it die. But then again, any hunter worth his salt would send the pet in for DPS, keep it alive, and pro it the fuck up. Mimiron's one of the few fights in Ulduar where a hunter can leave the locks/rogues/mages in the dust.
Also, if you can't micro-manage your pet, you're probably not doing as well as you could in your rotation, spacing, anticipation, and overall awareness - all warning signs of shit DPS. If symptoms persist for more than 4 raid weeks, please consult your doctor about anti-huntard shots.
And are you talking about Mimiron normal or hard mode? I don't know if you guys are working on hard mode on 25s, but if you can't keep your pet alive on normal, you're definitely doing shit DPS. My hunter was in the world 2nd Mimiron kill, so I have a pretty good idea of what the class is capable of on that fight. Don't make me level a hunter and out-DPS you in greens...
Case in point, I've only been in one raid with you, but here are the logs from the kills we were both in:
Iluvbush, 16th on DPS
Sobeyit, 8th on DPS
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-lI3x...=886&e=1185
Iluvbush, 16th on DPS
Sobeyit, 5th on DPS
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-lI3x...3658&e=4087
Btw, my lock didn't have 25-man gear at that point. I was wearing 1/2 Naxx-10 gear and 1/2 blues. I'd also been playing destro for all of 2 weeks. Compared to the truly good locks I do shit DPS. If you can't beat me as an Ulduar-25 geared hunter you are terrible.
/troll
Now if you really want to improve, I would suggest practicing pet management - every tier has fights that are unfriendly to pets. If you couldn't keep your pet alive on Heigan and Sarth3D, you're going to struggle on Mimiron, bosses in T9, T10, etc. Since you still run Sarth, that's a great place to get better. If your pet gets hit by a lava wall, you have something to work at.
I use my mouse wheel to control my pet. Rolling up sends the pet, down calls it back, clicking it makes it stay. On Mimiron Hard mode you have to sit the pet in random spots - e.g., boss is about to shock blast and there's doomfire between you and the pet - so it's really one of the most difficult fights you'll do as a hunter.
Most people struggle with spatial awareness when they only have one character to control; as a hunter you have to manipulate two objects in space, one of which you don't have complete control over. And you may have to kite doomfires/bots. And you have to DPS like a madman. And it's absolutely necessary in order to beat pre-nerf hard modes. Anything less than perfect and it's a wipe. Hence why I had to stop raiding drunk. /sadness
You're right that having your wolf sit there and give you Furious Howl will be more DPS than sending the pet in and having it die. But then again, any hunter worth his salt would send the pet in for DPS, keep it alive, and pro it the fuck up. Mimiron's one of the few fights in Ulduar where a hunter can leave the locks/rogues/mages in the dust.
Also, if you can't micro-manage your pet, you're probably not doing as well as you could in your rotation, spacing, anticipation, and overall awareness - all warning signs of shit DPS. If symptoms persist for more than 4 raid weeks, please consult your doctor about anti-huntard shots.
And are you talking about Mimiron normal or hard mode? I don't know if you guys are working on hard mode on 25s, but if you can't keep your pet alive on normal, you're definitely doing shit DPS. My hunter was in the world 2nd Mimiron kill, so I have a pretty good idea of what the class is capable of on that fight. Don't make me level a hunter and out-DPS you in greens...
Case in point, I've only been in one raid with you, but here are the logs from the kills we were both in:
Iluvbush, 16th on DPS
Sobeyit, 8th on DPS
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-lI3x...=886&e=1185
Iluvbush, 16th on DPS
Sobeyit, 5th on DPS
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-lI3x...3658&e=4087
Btw, my lock didn't have 25-man gear at that point. I was wearing 1/2 Naxx-10 gear and 1/2 blues. I'd also been playing destro for all of 2 weeks. Compared to the truly good locks I do shit DPS. If you can't beat me as an Ulduar-25 geared hunter you are terrible.
/troll
Now if you really want to improve, I would suggest practicing pet management - every tier has fights that are unfriendly to pets. If you couldn't keep your pet alive on Heigan and Sarth3D, you're going to struggle on Mimiron, bosses in T9, T10, etc. Since you still run Sarth, that's a great place to get better. If your pet gets hit by a lava wall, you have something to work at.
I use my mouse wheel to control my pet. Rolling up sends the pet, down calls it back, clicking it makes it stay. On Mimiron Hard mode you have to sit the pet in random spots - e.g., boss is about to shock blast and there's doomfire between you and the pet - so it's really one of the most difficult fights you'll do as a hunter.
Most people struggle with spatial awareness when they only have one character to control; as a hunter you have to manipulate two objects in space, one of which you don't have complete control over. And you may have to kite doomfires/bots. And you have to DPS like a madman. And it's absolutely necessary in order to beat pre-nerf hard modes. Anything less than perfect and it's a wipe. Hence why I had to stop raiding drunk. /sadness
I am a raging elitist that has to not only grab all of the free attention ever available but grind peoples' faces in the sheer glory of how much better I am than them. Let me go find some screenshots to post that will prove I have worth...
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:50 PM
:-( He coulda had a different name ... *shrug* didnt see that was such a big question... way to make me out to be stupid *tears*
I'm not dumb, I just choose not to be smart at the moment.
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 03:57 PM
Rohanna, on Sep 23 2009, 04:50 PM, said:
:-( He coulda had a different name ... *shrug* didnt see that was such a big question... way to make me out to be stupid *tears*
Wut, it wasn't completely obvious. I had to do some "sloothing" (as Inno would call it) to figure it out for myself.
Besides, you said I get wasted and go around puking and crushing people!
Edit: Err, even if his name was different his raid achievements and gear wouldn't change from transferring... Don't blame me for making you look *not nice word*
I am a raging elitist that has to not only grab all of the free attention ever available but grind peoples' faces in the sheer glory of how much better I am than them. Let me go find some screenshots to post that will prove I have worth...
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:10 PM
i hear what your saying when it comes to my pet but after spending more time trying to keep my pets alive then dps an still having them go down i just went screw it...saddest part is my old gm was a survival hunter that always used his pet an with a higher gear score then me an he was fighting with me for higher dps with out me using my pet...
an i know i have alot of learning to do an thats why i'm constantly playing around with things...thats one of the reasons i switched servers and factions cause i knew of a few people that knew more then most any one else on my old server...no one i met on my old server knew crap an as you can see i'm lacking in knowledge on alot of this an i knew more then most the other people met
which is why even if i cant join the guild i do enjoy the help you guys are trying to give
an i know i have alot of learning to do an thats why i'm constantly playing around with things...thats one of the reasons i switched servers and factions cause i knew of a few people that knew more then most any one else on my old server...no one i met on my old server knew crap an as you can see i'm lacking in knowledge on alot of this an i knew more then most the other people met
which is why even if i cant join the guild i do enjoy the help you guys are trying to give
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:11 PM
haraguroi, on Sep 23 2009, 08:28 PM, said:
that's why my wolf never attacks he just howls an buffs my ap... thus his name, to me hes just an extra buff thats it thats why i didn't focus anything on him but to be able to survive as long as i do
an to answer another question before it pops up, yes all my dps is just me alone an not a drop of dps is from my pet
an to answer another question before it pops up, yes all my dps is just me alone an not a drop of dps is from my pet
What
The
Fuck
FREE BRUMLAAN '09
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:22 PM
Unlucky, on Sep 23 2009, 05:11 PM, said:
What
The
Fuck
The
Fuck
Wasn't satisfied with just one non combat pet so he rolled a hunter and got 2.
Solar, on Sep 23 2009, 05:14 PM, said:
safe to assume you click your abilities? would be an indicator why you cant dps while managin pet since the time to move your mouse to your pets bar... if im wrong, my bad
Sobeyet, on Sep 23 2009, 04:40 PM, said:
I'd also be interested in seeing a screenshot of your UI to confirm some suspicions I have.
Heh.
Well at least he's being a good sport about the criticism so far.
I am a raging elitist that has to not only grab all of the free attention ever available but grind peoples' faces in the sheer glory of how much better I am than them. Let me go find some screenshots to post that will prove I have worth...
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:25 PM
Solar, on Sep 23 2009, 05:14 PM, said:
safe to assume you click your abilities? would be an indicator why you cant dps while managin pet since the time to move your mouse to your pets bar... if im wrong, my bad
i'm using a lap top with no place around it to use a proper mouse...plus some how don't know how but using a reg mouse screws me over more while playing wow...an i don't like bogging down my computers with a million addons. but yes i do have the essential addons(dbm,qh,gatherer,auctioneer) call me old school or what not but there was a pally in my old guild that was the guilds main tank an he didn't even use dbm an still did better then most tanks that use dbm
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Posted 23 September 2009 - 04:31 PM
We have a lot of really good players in our group, and we have some people who know the Hunter mechanics very well.
This is not really a group to learn how to play your class, but it can be a very good group to help you refine what you know and make it better. I'd say that we are willing to work and teach the basics, but if we are starting from scratch, we are looking for drastic improvement or you'll be cut. We also are not generally into mincing words or being nice just because. We don't aim to disrespect fellow raiders, but at this level, you do need a thick skin and to hear the criticism from others for what it is, not as a personal insult.
From what I'm seeing, I'm disinclined to believe that you'll work out, but encouraged that you are reading the criticisms and responding instead of running away. My suggestion is to take a week, read some EJ and other Hunter documents, repolish your character, and if you are still interested, poke one of the officers and we'll try you out on a 5-man. 2k dps will not cut it, just so you know, and we'll be specifically looking at pet control and survivability, as well as what you change in your character.
This is not really a group to learn how to play your class, but it can be a very good group to help you refine what you know and make it better. I'd say that we are willing to work and teach the basics, but if we are starting from scratch, we are looking for drastic improvement or you'll be cut. We also are not generally into mincing words or being nice just because. We don't aim to disrespect fellow raiders, but at this level, you do need a thick skin and to hear the criticism from others for what it is, not as a personal insult.
From what I'm seeing, I'm disinclined to believe that you'll work out, but encouraged that you are reading the criticisms and responding instead of running away. My suggestion is to take a week, read some EJ and other Hunter documents, repolish your character, and if you are still interested, poke one of the officers and we'll try you out on a 5-man. 2k dps will not cut it, just so you know, and we'll be specifically looking at pet control and survivability, as well as what you change in your character.
That which doesn't kill you gets to try again later.
