[Itchy]

Okay, so after reading through countless forums I have some questions that maybe our raiding SPs or others can help me with. PvE questions mostly I think.

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Every place I've looked has told me to put 4/5 in Shadow Weaving. This makes the most sense to me as 100% and 80% are interchangeable when you cast as often as you do in PvE. Can someone take the 5/5 side?

Spirit Tap vs. Blackout. EJ forums, this forum, priest forums are all telling me Spirit Tap is just as good as Blackout for end game raids. Who is raiding at lvl 69? What mobs in any instance give either Experience or Honor? Aren't those the only two things it procs off of? If those ARE the only things its procing off then wouldn't it be 100% useless in raiding specs? What am I missing?
http://elitistjerks...._shadow/#Undead (right under there look at their talent layout.)

It seems the EJ forums are horrible for SP information. A lot of people taut them as the codex of WoW but man, a lot of crap in there.

That's all I can remember to ask so we'll start there. I am sure I will think of more.

[Mucknip]

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Spirit Tap vs. Blackout. EJ forums, this forum, priest forums are all telling me Spirit Tap is just as good as Blackout for end game raids. Who is raiding at lvl 69? What mobs in any instance give either Experience or Honor? Aren't those the only two things it procs off of? If those ARE the only things its procing off then wouldn't it be 100% useless in raiding specs? What am I missing?

You dont have to actually gain honor/exp, IE it works at 70, basically if the mob/player is green to you you get spirit tap to proc, the real problem with it is "when you kill a mob" actually means when you kill the damn mob, you have to do the deathblow which is near impossible for you to rely on, at the same time blackout stuns, but hey what can you really stun while raiding? so yeah when they say they are equal they mean they are both shit so just pick one.

[Len]

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Every place I've looked has told me to put 4/5 in Shadow Weaving. This makes the most sense to me as 100% and 80% are interchangeable when you cast as often as you do in PvE. Can someone take the 5/5 side?

At some point, you have enough +spellhit that you have talent points to spare.  5/5 Shadow Weaving won't hurt then.

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Spirit Tap vs. Blackout. EJ forums, this forum, priest forums are all telling me Spirit Tap is just as good as Blackout for end game raids. Who is raiding at lvl 69? What mobs in any instance give either Experience or Honor? Aren't those the only two things it procs off of? If those ARE the only things its procing off then wouldn't it be 100% useless in raiding specs? What am I missing?
http://elitistjerks...._shadow/#Undead (right under there look at their talent layout.)

That just means that the mobs need to be green+ to you, level-wise.  Just because you have the maximum experience doesn't mean that you aren't earning any, it just means that they aren't recorded.

Spirit Tap procs in BT.

The reason that they are more-or-less equivalent is that all bosses are immune to Blackout, while some bosses (Tidewalker, for example) have adds that, when killed, can trigger Spirit Tap.  Both of them are very marginal benefits in a raid, though.

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It seems the EJ forums are horrible for SP information. A lot of people taut them as the codex of WoW but man, a lot of crap in there.

I prefer EJ, but check out www.shadowpriest.com also.

[Itchy]

AH HA! Freakin hidden exps. I guess that makes Spirit Tap a little better but you're right both bottom level SP talents are kinda "meh" for raiding. Knowing myself I would waste a good amount of dps/utility trying to get the killing blow from 15-20 other people killing the mob.

Thanks for the infos you two. Knowing that about Spirit Tap makes me feel a ton better about EJ as well. Now if I can just get them to update Face Melting 101. I WISH Misery gave 5% from all sources.

I'll be back in here later with something else. :)

[Unholyfury]

Blackout so you can own the flaged alliance outside raid.

[Len]

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According to wowhead, Spirit Tap will be much more suited for raiding post-WOTLK.  You'll be able to proc a mini-spirit tap with mindblast/sw-death crits.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=b

So, Merph, interested in returning to raiding?  We need another pro-shadow priest so that I can go back to Holy.  :-)

[Unholyfury]

wow merph!
holy toledo!

[Itchy]

Really the only problem I have seen now is the fact this guild out grew me while I was gone. As this guild rarely if ever does Karazhan (all T4 stuff really) I will have to find a way around that. Possibly whoring myself to, or joining a guild that is doing those weekly.

We shall see though, I am gaining great lengths without getting into Karazhan without falling back on PvP gear (except weapons). I just think the gap remaining will be too vast without T4 raids.

[Itchy]

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Blackout so you can own the flaged alliance outside raid.

It's what I have now. After dailies I spend time in PvP and Blackout has been worth it. If I ever switch to raiding more than PvP I will more than likely go ST as I cannot simply die to gain my mana back. :(

[Len]

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Really the only problem I have seen now is the fact this guild out grew me while I was gone. As this guild rarely if ever does Karazhan (all T4 stuff really) I will have to find a way around that. Possibly whoring myself to, or joining a guild that is doing those weekly.

Kara is still run, just not as a raid.  It really just needs someone to organize it and pull it together.  The officers, for the most part, are exhausted from the regular raids, so don't really feel like doing it.  Anyone can volunteer to organize a regular Kara run on non-raid times, though.

Check out my gear.  Over half of it is crafted or attainable from outside of T6 raids.  The right T4-geared raider is a lot more useful than someone who doesn't understand gear itemization and just goes for whatever purples they can wear.

[Itchy]

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Really the only problem I have seen now is the fact this guild out grew me while I was gone. As this guild rarely if ever does Karazhan (all T4 stuff really) I will have to find a way around that. Possibly whoring myself to, or joining a guild that is doing those weekly.

Kara is still run, just not as a raid.  It really just needs someone to organize it and pull it together.  The officers, for the most part, are exhausted from the regular raids, so don't really feel like doing it.  Anyone can volunteer to organize a regular Kara run on non-raid times, though.

Check out my gear.  Over half of it is crafted or attainable from outside of T6 raids.  The right T4-geared raider is a lot more useful than someone who doesn't understand gear itemization and just goes for whatever purples they can wear.

If you'd check out my gear (and rep) you'd see I am doing just that.

It may sound like a cop out but if the interest in Kara was there it would be going weekly. I empathize with raiders not wanting to ever go back in that place and won't hold out for it. It's one of those 'it would be nice' but it isn't needed to attain my goal. Just would help to attain it faster.. It would be more worth my time to go grind up the mats/rep/badges(and to a lesser extent honor) for an item that is better than the Kara equivalent then to do all the work it would take to get a Kara run and have it not drop and I think that's where this guild is anyway.

Hey whatev, I made my bed, I can lay in it. Just means more Dailies and grinding for my goal!

[Itchy]

Hey Len, bit of a side question, but have you tried that "farming BT trash" trick all the kids are screaming about? Or was that fixed in a patch?

[Len]

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If you'd check out my gear (and rep) you'd see I am doing just that.

I would if I knew which your main was.  :-)

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It may sound like a cop out but if the interest in Kara was there it would be going weekly.

There's usually Kara runs every week, either for alts or for mains that need badges.

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Hey Len, bit of a side question, but have you tried that "farming BT trash" trick all the kids are screaming about? Or was that fixed in a patch?

The only videos I've seen rely on making a jump, and I fail epicly at jumping.

[Itchy]

Ahh it's a secret! Sorry.. anyway. I am Haruspex. 2/3 FSW! Here I come 3/3!

I will keep an eye out for Kara runs. I have half a heart to try and get them started myself so we'll see if I ever grow a pair and actually do it. Even if I don't need the gear, I desperately need badges and Karazhan has that in spades.

I haven't watched the video, only read the tricks. Of course forums are full of people saying, "Oh it was so easy..." but I am far off from trying it anyway. :

[Len]

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Ahh it's a secret! Sorry.. anyway. I am Haruspex. 2/3 FSW! Here I come 3/3!

I'm 2/3 FSW and 2/2 Spellstrike.  From what I read, some of those pieces are best-in-slot until Sunwell.  I also have the crafted pieces from BT, so that's 6 items that one could have without stepping foot in the place.

The badge gear is also kick-ass.  The gloves and wand are almost best-of-slot, and the off-hand is almost there.

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I haven't watched the video, only read the tricks. Of course forums are full of people saying, "Oh it was so easy..." but I am far off from trying it anyway. :

The only one that I've seen relies on the mobs in the rooms to Maiden.  Are there others?

[Itchy]

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I plan to run Kara again Saturday nights at 8, just been busy with stuff for the past few weeks, so I haven't been able to.

Rockin' Mall. I will do my best to show up and be counted. I am dying to IF SW:D on Curator Evocate. DYING.

[Sobeyet]

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Rockin' Mall. I will do my best to show up and be counted. I am dying to IF SW:D on Prince Enfeeble. DYING.

Fixt.